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re: Who is the next "traditional" CFB power to return to national prominence? edited
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:37 pm to Korin
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:37 pm to Korin
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Minnesota was a power up until the 60's.
Since 1941 when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, Minnesota has zero outright Big Ten Championships. They shared the title twice 1960 & 1967. Minnesota won a total of 2 bowl games in the 20th century.
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:40 pm to TigerintheNO
Minnesota has more AP national championships than LSU has AP/BCS national championships.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:47 pm to lsutigers1992
all but one was prior to WWII
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:48 pm to lsutigers1992
1936: no bowl
1940: no bowl
1941: no bowl
1960: lost bowl
Just saiyan.
1940: no bowl
1941: no bowl
1960: lost bowl
Just saiyan.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:48 pm to dukke v
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UCLA
THE correct answer. Barring injury a NC game appearance is a strong possibility....
Am I allowed two sig quotes? Lovin' this.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:48 pm to TigerintheNO
If you're going to include Minnesota as a traditional power in this discussion you may as well throw in the Ivy League Schools and Army/Navy
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:52 pm to LL012697
Ivy League schools aren't allowed to play in postseason games though.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:52 pm to Tornado Alley
It's mainly about access to talent:
UCLA
USC/Texas
Washington
Arkansas/Tennessee
Miami
Georgia Tech
Michigan
Penn St
Pitt
Nebraska
Minnesota
UCLA
USC/Texas
Washington
Arkansas/Tennessee
Miami
Georgia Tech
Michigan
Penn St
Pitt
Nebraska
Minnesota
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:52 pm to Tornado Alley
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Arkansas?
Doesn't have the recruiting base to be a contender year in and year out. Just look at 2011: climb to #3 in the polls prior to the last week of the regular season, but get destroyed by the teams that finished #1 and #2 that year.
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Georgia Tech
Not with not only their academics, but located in the middle of SEC country.
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Miami
Does not have the fanbase/facilities/money to compete with the Florida, Alabama, LSU, Texas, USC, etc. of the world.
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Michigan
Historically above average. 12 double digit win seasons in last 34 years. They have TWO AP National Championships since it was started in 1936. LSU, Florida, and Alabama have that many (plus an extra one for Bama) since 2003.
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Minnesota
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Nebraska
Again, do not have the recruiting base others have. When they were on their 1990s run they were able to counteract that by enrolling partial qualifiers as well, which the Big 12 and the B1G do not allow.
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Penn State
Like all B1G powers outside of tOSU, they will compete every few years with the right coach but not year in and year out.
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Pitt
No. ACC is an improvement over than Big East, but they won't be able to compete with the southern schools on a yearly basis.
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Tennessee
Recruiting is killing them. They aren't the national brand they once were and with schools like Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, Florida State, UGA....you get the picture... recruiting like they are it will be hard to overcome. Maybe like the later Fulmer years where they make an SECCG appearance every 3-4 years is the best they can do going forward.
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Texas
Their issues run pretty deep. Until their old money dies off they will be stuck where they are. One national championship in the last 40+ years, with their resources is just sad.
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UCLA
Have a great recruiting base in southern California, but do not have the resources financially that schoole like Texas, A&M, LSU, Alabama, tOSU, UF, etc. have.
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USC
Same as UCLA. Although I think fan support for both will drop when the NFL finally puts a team in LA again. That's a pro sports town.
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Washington
If Chris Petersen can't get it done, I don't know who could.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:07 pm to BamaDude06
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USC... do not have the resources financially that schoole like Texas, A&M, LSU, Alabama, tOSU, UF, etc. have.
Yeah I keep hearing that around here, but I don't know where it comes from.
"USC ranked third among universities in the nation behind Stanford and Harvard for collecting the most contributions last year."
"The survey counts only money and other gifts that were collected during the year, officials of the New York-based CAE said. Donations pledged -- including many with fanfare -- but not yet transferred to the schools were not counted."
This is money collected, not pledged. So maybe A&M or Bama or somebody has more money promised to them, but when it comes down to the real thing, USC is third in the nation.
LINK
Obviously not all this money goes to athletics, but to say USC does not have the resources of some SEC schools is preposterous.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:16 pm to td01241
Georgia is the answer. But we will have to fire Richt or have him retire first.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:25 pm to dukke v
quote:
UCLA
quote:
THE correct answer. Barring injury a NC game appearance is a strong possibility....
quote:
dukke v
Welp, UCLA's fate for 2014 has already been sealed and it's only February. So sorry Bruins fans.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:45 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
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Obviously not all this money goes to athletics, but to say USC does not have the resources of some SEC schools is preposterous.
That's just it. It's not going to athletics. The fan support is no where near most SEC schools. Your average attendance in 2012 was 87,945 for a 93,607 stadium, and it dropped to 73,126 this year. Back in 2000 USC averaged just over 57,000 a game. Even in their worst seasons Bama, LSU, Florida, etc. don't play in a half empty stadium. If/When the NFL finally puts a team in LA it will drop USC and UCLA's support even more.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:48 pm to BamaDude06
Nebraska, Pitt, and Minnesota have no place in this discussion. They will never be elite programs again. Never.
Georgia Tech needs to can Paul Johnson asap and get one of this young innovative coaches in. You're in one of the top 5 recruiting hotbeds in the country and you run a gotdamn single a high school offense.
Georgia Tech needs to can Paul Johnson asap and get one of this young innovative coaches in. You're in one of the top 5 recruiting hotbeds in the country and you run a gotdamn single a high school offense.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:06 pm to Tornado Alley
quote:
Pitt?
what is this the 30's or 70's
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:14 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
USC
Once USC gets its numbers back, the Trojans will return to glory. The 2015 recruiting class could rank #1 nationally.
Once USC gets its numbers back, the Trojans will return to glory. The 2015 recruiting class could rank #1 nationally.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:20 pm to The_Man_of_Steel
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Georgia Tech needs to can Paul Johnson asap and get one of this young innovative coaches in. You're in one of the top 5 recruiting hotbeds in the country and you run a gotdamn single a high school offense.
I don't know if they will ever compete for a national championship often, but they have won 9 or more games only 5 times since they won it all in 1990. That should not happen there.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:28 pm to BamaDude06
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That's just it. It's not going to athletics. The fan support is no where near most SEC schools. Your average attendance in 2012 was 87,945 for a 93,607 stadium, and it dropped to 73,126 this year. Back in 2000 USC averaged just over 57,000 a game. Even in their worst seasons Bama, LSU, Florida, etc. don't play in a half empty stadium. If/When the NFL finally puts a team in LA it will drop USC and UCLA's support even more.
The poster I was responding to didn't say USC doesn't have the fan support. He said they didn't have the resources. USC has the resources.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:36 pm to The_Man_of_Steel
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Nebraska, Pitt, and Minnesota have no place in this discussion. They will never be elite programs again. Never.
Georgia Tech needs to can Paul Johnson asap and get one of this young innovative coaches in. You're in one of the top 5 recruiting hotbeds in the country and you run a gotdamn single a high school offense.
GT's problem is that they don't have the typical "jock" majors.
Edit: And everyone has to take calculus.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:43 pm to SwatMitchell
quote:Miami should be the greatest program ever then
It's mainly about access to talen
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