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re: Which team do you want scewed out of the Final 4?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:59 pm to dnm3305
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:59 pm to dnm3305
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So that makes it fair? How about the 4 best teams with the best resume' play?
But the resume test in itself is subjective. OSU beat a 2 loss PSU team at PSU last week. That would not have gotten as much favor as Ole Miss beating LSU @ LSU would
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:00 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:01 pm to Buckeye06
quote:You want to judge teams by only 8 or 9 of their 12 or 13 games. THAT is subjective.
But the resume test in itself is subjective.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:01 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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I believe the playoff panel is a way to try keep the SEC from winning championships every year.
Exactly. The purpose of this panel and the 4 team playoff is to generate revenue. Period. Anyone that thinks otherwise is foolish. Parody is good for business. Oregon/Mich St/FSU/Miss St = frick you money. Miss St/Bama(or LSU)/Georgia/Mich St = alot less frick you money. This is not about getting the 4 best teams to play in a playoff.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:03 pm to Buckeye06
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That would not have gotten as much favor as Ole Miss beating LSU @ LSU would
It would not, and it shouldn't. Are you saying PSU and LSU are similar programs?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:04 pm to dnm3305
Is it possible to say that the 4 best teams in football are all in the SEC? i'd say possibly.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:06 pm to L5UT1ger
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Mock Committee
I thought this was an interesting read and deals with this subject.
it is an interesting read and i'm glad they took the exercise seriously but i came away struck by how self congratulatory they were with respect to their own process - they liked their final product? you don't say.
also the think versus prove analogy was terrible. using transitional logic to damn USC and praise PSU on the basis of their Oregon State opponent in common is terrible logic. if PSU and USC were in the same conference you'd have more data, pretending a single out of conference game can be used to compare common opponents is not showing anything, it is over-analyzing a single data point with a lot of variables. Compare USC and PSU on the basis of their entire seasons, not the worst result of the year for one of the two teams.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:09 pm to dnm3305
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It would not, and it shouldn't. Are you saying PSU and LSU are similar programs?
I'm saying do you judge a resume as to what the other team's records are? or how good you think they are? Bama's best win is over WVU at a neutral site, but they are in the top 5. A win over Bama now counts as a win over a top 5 team (a top 5 team who has no good wins).
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:10 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Well I'd be happy as hell if there was no Notre Dame, Alabama, or FSU in the playoff... but I think FSU is going to coast so I just hope those other two get left out.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:12 pm to Chad504boy
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Is it possible to say that the 4 best teams in football are all in the SEC? i'd say possibly.
It's possible to say all 4 could be outside the SEC too. That's my issue in a nutshell. I don't think all are outside the SEC or in the SEC though.
Actually, I have no idea who is a top 10 team right now, aside from FSU/MSU, only cause they are undefeated
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:13 pm to molsusports
The committee decision is going to be a joke. Mark my words.
The whole point of the BCS was to eliminate biased pollsters from choosing the champion. The BCS got it right every year (with the exception of giving Bama a rematch, but i think that was because they gave too much power back to the pollsters as they tweaked the system) (And the original BCS formula was best-it weighed strength of schedule much more heavily and encouraged good OOC scheduling.)
The SEC dominated the BCS era, so now they want to bring the human bias back into the picture. They're going to hose the SEC people. Get ready for it.
The whole point of the BCS was to eliminate biased pollsters from choosing the champion. The BCS got it right every year (with the exception of giving Bama a rematch, but i think that was because they gave too much power back to the pollsters as they tweaked the system) (And the original BCS formula was best-it weighed strength of schedule much more heavily and encouraged good OOC scheduling.)
The SEC dominated the BCS era, so now they want to bring the human bias back into the picture. They're going to hose the SEC people. Get ready for it.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:14 pm to Chad504boy
It's also possible to say the SEC is way down this year and the success of Miss St and Miss are solid evidence of that.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:14 pm to Buckeye06
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I'm saying do you judge a resume as to what the other team's records are? or how good you think they are? Bama's best win is over WVU at a neutral site, but they are in the top 5. A win over Bama now counts as a win over a top 5 team (a top 5 team who has no good wins).
Do you think that Alabama is not one of the top 5 teams in college football? Although I think Bama is overrated, I do think they are still one of the 5 best teams in college football. If you look at the depth and talent they have on the roster, they are easily a top 5 team. Is it fair that they have to play LSU, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Miss St, and Ark in their division when you guys get to play Maryland, Rutgers, Michigan and Indiana?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:15 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
they constantly readjusted the BCS formula and components. arguing that it consistently got it right (even if that were true) is obviously a matter of opinion and might imply the formula used in 1998 would have screwed things up in 2006 or 2012
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:16 pm to Bunk Moreland
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It's also possible to say the SEC is way down this year and the success of Miss St and Miss are solid evidence of that.
I hear this every year, or that the SEC is top-heavy, can't keep up with good offenses, etc.
And then the SEC goes on a rampage during bowl season. Rinse, repeat the whole cycle again.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:16 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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I believe the playoff panel is a way to try keep the SEC from winning championships every year.
Its definite goal is to keep the SEC from dominating. The BCS computer formula was way better. It keeps human biases out of it.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:16 pm to molsusports
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it is an interesting read and i'm glad they took the exercise seriously but i came away struck by how self congratulatory they were with respect to their own process - they liked their final product? you don't say.
also the think versus prove analogy was terrible. using transitional logic to damn USC and praise PSU on the basis of their Oregon State opponent in common is terrible logic. if PSU and USC were in the same conference you'd have more data, pretending a single out of conference game can be used to compare common opponents is not showing anything, it is over-analyzing a single data point with a lot of variables. Compare USC and PSU on the basis of their entire seasons, not the worst result of the year for one of the two teams.
Whats funny is after talking about that point so much, they ranked USC higher than Penn State.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:17 pm to molsusports
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they constantly readjusted the BCS formula and components. arguing that it consistently got it right (even if that were true) is obviously a matter of opinion and might imply the formula used in 1998 would have screwed things up in 2006 or 2012
They tweaked it slightly every year and it got worse every year, was the point i was trying to make. But i think it got it correct nearly every year, if not every year. Much better than the polling system with its notre dame/west coast bias, or the new system with its former coaches/AD's on the panel.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:18 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Notre dame
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:18 pm to Bunk Moreland
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It's also possible to say the SEC is way down this year and the success of Miss St and Miss are solid evidence of that
Ok, so the SEC being down is still better top to bottom then the Big X on it's best wk.
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