re: Which is most important--good coaching or talented football players?

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So if you take out 2012, which doesn't have much impact on this year's team and add 2007 which LSU was ranked 4th and I bet last year's team had a high five year average recruiting ranking compared to other teams. Their average ranking would be 5.8.

During the same time here are the totals for:

Alabama: 1.6
USC: 3.4
Texas: 5
LSU: 5.6
OSU: 11.6

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haha. so our true freshman who are playing this year don't count? Okay, if you want to cherry pick which years to add and which ones to subtract, I'll play your game by taking away a No. 18 ranking and adding a No. 4 ranking to assist you with your argument...

And even your cherry picking is pretty much exactly what I said... Why is it that LSU is having much more success than Texas right now? Miles is able to develop that talent to put his team on par with the team that is undeniably No. 1 overall in recruiting... Alabama.

If Miles were not developing that talent and not coaching well, we might see them with results similar to Texas.

Every year, the media creates the narrative that LSU has the most talented team in the country with a buffoon as head coach who just tries to keep them in line.

It's just not true. Miles is a very capable coach who develops talent and creates a game plan that, when combined with the players he brings in, is capable of winning just about every game.

If our special teams weren't that great the past few years, we wouldn't have been so dominant, because our QBs were pretty terrible. Special teams gave us a short field consistently. What made our special teams stand out more than other teams? Coaching.

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But it's such a fine line between bust and Heisman-caliber performance. Talent can fall both ways.

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everything is a marginal difference. But there is not only great coaching or terrible coaching with no in between.

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Bad coaching can take talent and make it mediocre or worse piss-poor...great coaching can bring you to that next level where you're winning awards and going on to the next level

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Bad coaching might lose you games and good coaching can get more out of talent and win more games, and that in turn leads to awards, but talent gets you to the next level, regardless. As long as the player himself is working hard, scouts for the next level can see it.


Plenty of guys have turned out great seasons in the pros for shitty teams. Plenty of guys from crappy teams have gone on to the next level, be it college to pro or HS to college.

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Who knows how good Ron Powlus could have been...but he chose Notre Dame which was still mid-transition from the option offense with Lou Holtz.

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That's more a scheme fit. But did they run exclusively option with Mirer? I don;t recall, but he was after Rice, who they did run only option. Mirer was pretty good and was the #2 pick either way, so I'm thinking either Powlus was over rated or he didn't do the work he needed to.

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...talent does NOT rise to the top but itself

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Talent shines thru bad coaching more than good coaching wins with no talent. You can't look at it in zero sum terms like you are doing. Saban would not have won 3 MC in 9 years if he stayed at MSU. His first year at Alabama they went 7-6, was that because he had a bad year coaching or because he didn't have the talent yet?

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Was Mack Brown a better coach than Les Miles then?

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Possibly. LSU did not have talent at the QB position, but the team as a whole was not coached well enough to be elite, and it showed on the field. It was during this time that Miles made some of his bonehead decisions that rendered him his current stereotype. His teams could have been better coached and better prepared during those two seasons...

I think Miles has greatly improved his Xs and Os, and I also think he has put together a better coaching staff than he had in 2008 (Peveto/Mallory vs. Peveto)... and then another drastic improvement by replacing Crowton with Kragthorpe last season.

However, Texas (at least according to the recruiting rankings) had a higher composite recruiting ranking than LSU during the 5-year window from '04-'08.

the answer to this question is right in front of most of your faces and you keep ignoring it.

Two football teams in the South had great seasons last year. Neither won a championship but they had really solid top of their league seasons


The coaches of both of those football teams were told to go away and not come back ever and for one year.


Where do those two football teams stand today??

one is 1-2 in college and the other is 0-2 in the pros


pretty clear IMO but keep going back to CLM is avg and all the other nonsense

talent factors in but is not the main factor. it's coaching plain and simple. like water is wet

You are freaking idiot if you don't think Miles is a tremendous coach.

I don't even know the stats to be honest but Miles does have the most consecutive wins at home in the entire NCAA. He also has the most consecutive wins out of conference. I believe he's about tied with Saban in bowl wins. He's also about tied with Saban h2h right? I honestly don't know but if you seriously don't believe Miles is a tremendous coach who always has his players ready then you can't be helped.

How did Saban and company lose to this buffoon of a coach in 2010 and 2011.. They had freaking JJ as QB.. Weak arse shite.

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When the talent is equal, coaching matters, what people don't realize is the difference between top coaches is marginal. LSU would not have won nearly as many games as we have if Les was a "bad" or even avg coach. Ron Zook could recruit like a muther, but wasn't a good coach.

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And when the coaching is equal, talent matters.

In fact, when coaching is UNequal, talent matter.

good coaching slightly more important than great talent. When you can combine great coaching and player development with great recruiting (or in the NFL, a great front office), you have a powerful combination.