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re: Where does the Cardinal/Cub rivalry rank amongst others in the majors?
Posted on 4/5/15 at 7:10 pm to molsusports
Posted on 4/5/15 at 7:10 pm to molsusports
quote:long time ago, there were no playoffs. You won the national league and the American League and then played in the world series. The only time you'd get a playoff would be when teams ended up tied at the end of the year. "The shot heard round the world" happened during one of those. The giants and the dodgers ended the year tied and then played a best of 3 series. That homer won game 3 and sent the giants to the world series
that was interesting RE: qualifying for the playoffs (not making the world series in a NLCS) didn't know that
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Posted on 4/5/15 at 7:18 pm to WestCoastAg
hmm, strange what you can go your life as a baseball fan and not know.
the old format of an east and a west winner for each league being a dilution of regular season value is interesting to ponder.
the old format of an east and a west winner for each league being a dilution of regular season value is interesting to ponder.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 7:25 pm to molsusports
Yeah, there was no divisions until 1969,when the Expos, Padres, Royals and Pilots(Brewers) came into the league. Then in 94, because the Rockies and Marlins came in a year earlier, three divisions and a Wild Card was created.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 7:34 pm to msudawg1200
yeah, i still hate the wild card. i'd be happier with four smaller divisions than that... but i can no longer consider myself an old old fogie for wishing only division winners made the playoffs
Posted on 4/5/15 at 7:39 pm to molsusports
I'm not old enough to remember no divisions, my father used to tell me about it and I'm a baseball history nut, I just remember the two divisions. I don't care for the Wild Card either.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 8:02 pm to msudawg1200
Yankees red sox. And. Who cares
Posted on 4/5/15 at 9:00 pm to msudawg1200
Another element to the rivalry are the trades and movement of players in the franchises.
You have Brock Durham Sutter etc all starting as sCrUBS but ending as Cards. Usually they have better success and more household names as Cards. Therefore it's easy to hate what you aren't (a winner)
You have Brock Durham Sutter etc all starting as sCrUBS but ending as Cards. Usually they have better success and more household names as Cards. Therefore it's easy to hate what you aren't (a winner)
Posted on 4/5/15 at 9:44 pm to molsusports
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In spite of all the talk about it yanks/sox has only been consequential a little bit in the last decade of my lifetime.
Lol wut?
They've combined to win 8 of the last 19 World Series, and we're pretty much living in the golden age of Red Sox baseball, which occured right after the latest Yankee dynasty.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 9:46 pm to lsu31always
Posted on 4/5/15 at 9:56 pm to WestCoastAg
1. Yankees-Red Sox
2. Giants-Dodgers. I am amazed how many fans on the East Coast, Midwest, & South don't realize how much hate these 2 franchises have for each other. It goes back to the NY days when they were rivals there & continued after they both moved to Cali. Go to a game at AT&T Park to see it first hand. It is intense.
3. Cards-Cubs
2. Giants-Dodgers. I am amazed how many fans on the East Coast, Midwest, & South don't realize how much hate these 2 franchises have for each other. It goes back to the NY days when they were rivals there & continued after they both moved to Cali. Go to a game at AT&T Park to see it first hand. It is intense.
3. Cards-Cubs
Posted on 4/5/15 at 9:58 pm to Feral
quote:
In spite of all the talk about it yanks/sox has only been consequential a little bit in the last decade of my lifetime.
Lol wut?
They've combined to win 8 of the last 19 World Series,
zero from the red sox before the last decade. as they have risen the yankees have fallen
obviously the yankees dominated baseball from 96 till 2000 but that doesn't make for a rivalry. that just means the yankees were really good.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 10:08 pm to molsusports
they faced each other in two consecutive ALCS' last decade 
thats more than can be said about any of these other rivalries
thats more than can be said about any of these other rivalries
Posted on 4/5/15 at 10:19 pm to WestCoastAg
I'm clearly not being clear somehow when i cede the last decade.
I'm of the age where i remember the decades before the last decade when people would still rave about it as the end all be all rivalry... even though there were obviously more consequential rivalries in the playoffs and/or regular season.
I'm of the age where i remember the decades before the last decade when people would still rave about it as the end all be all rivalry... even though there were obviously more consequential rivalries in the playoffs and/or regular season.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 10:22 pm to molsusports
sorry. Haven't kept up with this thread but
quote:makes it seem like you were trying to say that the Yankees and red Sox weren't good at the same time the past 15 years and that's what I was responding to
as they have risen the yankees have fallen
This post was edited on 4/5/15 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 4/5/15 at 10:34 pm to WestCoastAg
well, surely you would agree they largely haven't been? me ceding the last decade is generous in some ways since other teams (e.g. reds/cardinals, astros/cardinals, giants/cardinals) also played interesting playoff series in the last fifteen years.
the yankees were unbelievable between 96 and 2000. the red sox have won three WS in the last decade.
Frankly, I've got decades worth of resentment of the over coverage of the RS/Yankees rivalry from way back in the 80s and early 90s for starters. Why they wasted so much time and coverage on those teams when there were more interesting stories ranging from the Phillies, Blue Jays, Dodgers, Giants, Cardinals, etc is something the collective national media ought to have figured out long before instead of waiting for one or both of those teams to return to excellence
the yankees were unbelievable between 96 and 2000. the red sox have won three WS in the last decade.
Frankly, I've got decades worth of resentment of the over coverage of the RS/Yankees rivalry from way back in the 80s and early 90s for starters. Why they wasted so much time and coverage on those teams when there were more interesting stories ranging from the Phillies, Blue Jays, Dodgers, Giants, Cardinals, etc is something the collective national media ought to have figured out long before instead of waiting for one or both of those teams to return to excellence
Posted on 4/5/15 at 10:39 pm to molsusports
quote:They were both consistently good starting with their ALCS in 2003 and ending in 2010. Sure other teams were playing each other in the playoffs durng that time period, but that doesn't take away that for a decent period in recent baseball history, both teams were consistently good.
me ceding the last decade is generous in some ways since other teams
Of course it doesn't change what happened in earlier decades, but I'm only talking about recent history
This post was edited on 4/5/15 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 4/5/15 at 10:44 pm to molsusports
quote:
I'm clearly not being clear somehow when i cede the last decade.
You are fine. Some people dont understand/grasp the nuances.
The St Louis/Chicago rivalry actually goes further back than baseball to the establishment of a central railway hub in the US in which the two sprouting cities fought over which one would be the benefactor of said hub.
Basically it was great lakes vs Mississippi river.
Chicago won.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:27 pm to Chillini
When exactly have the Cubs and Cards played a meaningful series...like one that determines who goes to the World Series?
Never, perhaps?
The rivalry is media invention.
Never, perhaps?
The rivalry is media invention.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:23 pm to molsusports
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zero from the red sox before the last decade. as they have risen the yankees have fallen
obviously the yankees dominated baseball from 96 till 2000 but that doesn't make for a rivalry. that just means the yankees were really good.
With the lone exception of 2008, the Yankees were still great to good between their 2000 title and 2012, which was the year prior to the last Red Sox title. There were some fantastic games during the entirety of the Pedro era. It's not like the Red Sox sucked prior to October 2004 -- they made the playoffs in '97 and went to the ALCS in '99.
Plus, the Yankees and Red Sox played two of the best ALCS's in MLB history, and they were in back to back years ('03 and '04).
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:31 pm to Overbrook
quote:
The rivalry is media invention.
Nah, it's quite real.
What's your distaste for the media as it relates to the cubs...media created the rivalry, bryant really isn't good, it's the cubs media machine hyping him?
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