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re: What is your top 10 QB list?
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:40 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:40 pm to TigerBait1127
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Brady runs a much, much safer offense and had randy moss for many of those seasons. Drew Brees is a much better QB than he was in 2008. Also, in 2008 we lost all of our receivers and had a terrible defense. I've never seen Brees not complete passes down field against anybody. Did Brady complete 1 in the Super Bowl?
Man this post is filled with so much ignorance and stupidity but im not going to get into it
There is an arguement for Brees over Brady to be made, but that is not it.
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:40 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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How can you say he runs a safer offense?
it isn't really debatable.
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Also, they have both started 9 years in the league, yet Brees has only thrown for 800 more yards career wise. Brady has thrown for more career Tds and less career interceptions.
thats cool and all, but I figured we were going for currently and not a career achievement award (where brady is clearly better)
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And Brady has 2 SB MVP's.
do you think he has outperformed Brees in the playoffs?
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:41 pm to Psauce
Tier 1 in no particular order
Brees
Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Eli
Tier 2
Stafford
Rivers
Big Ben
Cutler
Romo
Brees
Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Eli
Tier 2
Stafford
Rivers
Big Ben
Cutler
Romo
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:42 pm to wildtigercat93
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Man this post is filled with so much ignorance and stupidity but im not going to get into it
really what is ignorant about it? Over the last few years the Patriots offense has completely changed, especially with the emergence of Gronk this year.
The 2008 comment was in reference to Brees, had nothing to do with Brady. I was stating that 2011 Brees is a much better QB than 2008 Brees
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:43 pm to TigerBait1127
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really what is ignorant about it? Over the last few years the Patriots offense has completely changed, especially with the emergence of Gronk this year.
That doesnt make it "safer". And the reason he didnt make down the field throws, is because tere was noone to throw down the field to
Maybe I jumped in the argument at the wrong time but i didnt find your points to make any sense
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:44 pm to TigerBait1127
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it isn't really debatable
Come on, really? He still has to throw the ball. Jarrod Johnson should you could be intercepted on a shovel pass to a HB, one of the safest passing plays you can do. LB's can cover the low route and intercept him. So, I don't see how you can say he has a 'safer' offense.
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thats cool and all, but I figured we were going for currently and not a career achievement award (where brady is clearly better)
That was to show you that Brady has aired it out quite a bit like Brees throughout his career. They both have been in pass happy offenses.
And like I added, Brees had LT and Antonio Gates when he was with SD. Not really slouches in the passing game.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:46 pm to wildtigercat93
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That doesnt make it "safer".
how is it not safer? Much shorter, wide open passes are being made where the Saints like to attack the seam and throw it up to colston and graham for balls that are usually contested. A lot of it has to do with the personnel. When the Patriots had Moss, Brady threw the ball up for grabs a lot more
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:49 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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They both have been in pass happy offenses.
it had nothing to do with being in a pass happy offense. It has to do with the way the 2 teams move the ball through the air
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Come on, really? He still has to throw the ball
so a mesh route to welker in the slot has the same danger as throwing to colston and graham 15-20 yards downfield?
Brady gets better YAC from his receivers
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:54 pm to TigerBait1127
Well like I said, a Qb can be intercepted doing the simplest of forward passes. Now, I know to call JJ a Qb is laughable, but still, its all about taking advantage of your personnel and its up to the defense to defend that.
That does not mean that one offense is 'safer' then the other. If a defense suddenly changes their attack and renders your offense useless, well suddenly your offense isn't too 'safe' anymore. Brady used throw it down in a seam if thats what the offense called for. You never saw Brady in a 1 back set every play, he changed his offense for the defense, like any elite Qb will do.
That does not mean that one offense is 'safer' then the other. If a defense suddenly changes their attack and renders your offense useless, well suddenly your offense isn't too 'safe' anymore. Brady used throw it down in a seam if thats what the offense called for. You never saw Brady in a 1 back set every play, he changed his offense for the defense, like any elite Qb will do.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:55 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
He changed his offense because he lost a top 5 receiver in nfl history and now has shorter faster guys.
And yes, it is much safer. Passes downfield, in coverage are much harder to complete. Every statistic would back that up
And yes, it is much safer. Passes downfield, in coverage are much harder to complete. Every statistic would back that up
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:55 pm to TigerBait1127
I'll go with:
1) Rogers
2) Brees
3) Brady
4) P Manning
5) E Manning
6) Rivers
7) Roethlesberger
8) Romo
and then I can't really decide between a bunch of guys like Stafford, Schaub, Ryan, Cutler, and Newton... feels wrong somehow putting any of those down as a top ten QB
1) Rogers
2) Brees
3) Brady
4) P Manning
5) E Manning
6) Rivers
7) Roethlesberger
8) Romo
and then I can't really decide between a bunch of guys like Stafford, Schaub, Ryan, Cutler, and Newton... feels wrong somehow putting any of those down as a top ten QB
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:55 pm to TigerBait1127
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so a mesh route to welker in the slot has the same danger as throwing to colston and graham 15-20 yards downfield?
It can be if they play their LBs in a zone. Or drop a lineman back when Brady is about to throw.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:56 pm to Psauce
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Cutler is probably the most underrated QB in the league
Romo is, with Rivers 2nd most underrated. Imo
Posted on 4/26/12 at 6:57 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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It can be if they play their LBs in a zone. Or drop a lineman back when Brady is about to throw.
that isn't what we are arguing. I'm assuming both elite qb's can read a defense. And no linebacker is going to keep up with welker
The Saints have 2 guys who are incredible are catching in traffic and the most accurate QB in NFL history. We take far more risks
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 7:00 pm to TigerBait1127
Then in no way did either of them play in a safer offense. Any offense can be defended, meaning any time they pass, Brady can be picked off. And when Brady had Moss, he would throw it up plenty. Then after Moss, he had Hernandez and Gronk. And before Moss he had Deion Branch.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 7:03 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
1) Brees/Rivers
2).
2).
Posted on 4/26/12 at 7:08 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
go watch highlight videos of the 2. Passes downfield are statistically WAY more dangerous
It is common sense. If the ball travels are greater distance, the defense has far more time to react to it
It is common sense. If the ball travels are greater distance, the defense has far more time to react to it
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 7:13 pm to TigerBait1127
Is Brees throwing it downfield every pass? Because that is the only way for it to be a way more unsafe offense. Brady has played in an offense where he has aired it out plenty. Both Qbs take what the defense gives them. If there is a downfield pass open, both Qbs will take it. And both Qbs will pass to a HB if needed.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 7:21 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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Brady has played in an offense where he has aired it out plenty
which I've already stated
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Because that is the only way for it to be a way more unsafe offense.
not true. We throw the ball into traffic because we have colston and graham. The patriots drop the ball to welker underneath and let him get YAC. Drew Brees had a much higher % of his yards completed through the air. Throwing the ball downfield is statistically harder and more dangerous than throwing short routes. Completion % drops and interceptions go up
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Both Qbs take what the defense gives them.
The Saints dictate to the defense most of the time, but we had the best offense in NFL history last season. We do throw a lot of short passes too, and we throw them at a much higher %
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If there is a downfield pass open, both Qbs will take it.
the Saints and Patriots have different definitions of what is open. You are the one saying that Tom Brady is clearly #1, that was clearly rodgers last season
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 7:28 pm to TigerBait1127
It was top 10 Qbs to this point. Bradys 2007 season and Rodgers 2011 were very close statistically. But Brady has had 2 more brilliant seasons along with his career and he has shown no signs of slowing up, therefore he is the best Qb in the NFL at this moment.
And again, anytime you air it out in an offense, in which Brady and Brees have both done their entire career, it is going to be unsafe.
And again, anytime you air it out in an offense, in which Brady and Brees have both done their entire career, it is going to be unsafe.
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