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What batting average should a HS college prospect have?
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:22 pm
I know there are many variables like level of competition and defensive ability, but what is a good enough batting average for a HS player that wants to play at the next level?
I think the average 'good' or 'well above average' hitter playing an average level of competition probably hits around .400 in HS. But unless you are a great defensive player, I'm thinking .400 is probably not good enough for the next level.
What is good enough? .450? .500?
I'm not a baseball guy so I'm looking for people with experience and knowledge to chime in.
I think the average 'good' or 'well above average' hitter playing an average level of competition probably hits around .400 in HS. But unless you are a great defensive player, I'm thinking .400 is probably not good enough for the next level.
What is good enough? .450? .500?
I'm not a baseball guy so I'm looking for people with experience and knowledge to chime in.
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:31 pm to NorthEndZone
With the old bats you needed to be around .500 to get big time looks. Nowadays .400-.450 gives you a shot based on the level of competition you're facing.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:32 pm to NorthEndZone
I'm not sure that coaches/scouts would factor in batting average as much as they would mechanics, athletic ability, arm strength etc. Of course if a dude is hitting .500 in high school against good competition that will draw some attention.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:34 pm to NorthEndZone
Depends. If the guy is 5' 10'' and not fast or explosive, he better be able to hit his dick off. There is definitely a place for players like that, but they would have an average at or around .500...indicating that they can flat out hit.
Guys who are tall, lean, and project really well don't really have to hit like that. If they show they have the tools to improve(improved place discipline, sure up swing), they will get looks.
Guys who are tall, lean, and project really well don't really have to hit like that. If they show they have the tools to improve(improved place discipline, sure up swing), they will get looks.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:38 pm to NorthEndZone
Batting average isn't as big of a factor as the contact the prospect is making on the ball. I've seen guys hit .375 in high school but are prospects because they've had awful luck making solid contact but right at guys. I've also seen guys hit over .450 with no looks because they got a lot of luck hits with soft rollers down the line or little bloopers, basically a bunch of hits that just worked out not because of anything the batter was doing.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:40 pm to NorthEndZone
as others have said. it really isnt so much the raw stat number as much as the technique and the mechanics. obviously the stats come into play at some basic level, but they eventually get to a point where they dont really matter and scouts will want to see how the kid swings and makes contact with the ball instead of just looking to see if he hits a certain batting average
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:41 pm to NorthEndZone
It sucks for a lot of players, but scouts are looking for guys with a cannon arm, someone who can crush the ball a mile, someone with Carl Lewis speed, etc.
They don't look as much at stats. I mean, they matter to an extent... but coaches pee themselves to get someone with raw tools because they are arrogant and think they'll just coach them up.
Someone with good stats but not freakish athletic talent or power can play at the next level but they will most likely play DIII or possibly DII.
I have known pitchers who suck but can throw 95 mph get D1 scholarships and suck just as much at a D1 school, and other players who bat near .500 and struck out like 2 times their entire senior year and never makes errors in the field but don't have a lot of power or speed and they only get offers from DIII schools. And he goes on to hit .450 and strikes out only 3 times per year at the DIII level and certainly could have hit very well at the D1 level. But that guy never gets looks.
They don't look as much at stats. I mean, they matter to an extent... but coaches pee themselves to get someone with raw tools because they are arrogant and think they'll just coach them up.
Someone with good stats but not freakish athletic talent or power can play at the next level but they will most likely play DIII or possibly DII.
I have known pitchers who suck but can throw 95 mph get D1 scholarships and suck just as much at a D1 school, and other players who bat near .500 and struck out like 2 times their entire senior year and never makes errors in the field but don't have a lot of power or speed and they only get offers from DIII schools. And he goes on to hit .450 and strikes out only 3 times per year at the DIII level and certainly could have hit very well at the D1 level. But that guy never gets looks.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:42 pm to NorthEndZone
.350 or higher is a nice number depending on school
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:51 pm to NorthEndZone
I doubt batting averages are ranked up high on the overall evaluation. BA can be manipulated pretty easy. Knowing how "official scorebooks" are kept in HS, I would bet that a lot of .450 BA's are really below .400 if scored correctly.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:03 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:It isn't that they're arrogant. It's that you can't teach some of the things they look for.
They don't look as much at stats. I mean, they matter to an extent... but coaches pee themselves to get someone with raw tools because they are arrogant and think they'll just coach them up.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:15 pm to Boudreaux35
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I doubt batting averages are ranked up high on the overall evaluation
Id have to agree with this right here, there are plenty of guys that play at big schools who didn't light up the stat book with standout numbers and plenty of guys that hit over .400 and didn't get any real looks, nowadays its more about showcases, potential, build, basically overall athleticism, they look at how you do things: speed of the ball off the bat, opposite field power, how you work the count,what pitches you hit where, overall control of the game and as cliche it sounds your effort/reaction when things go right and when things go wrong.They also look to see if you have any major flaws like not being able to hit breaking balls or struggling with certain pitch locations cause at the next level a guy who hit .350-.400 in high school but had trouble with breaking balls or had trouble against harder pitching will have a harder time because of in depth scouting reports become. The difference between a college and pro prospect is usually either A) they have a perfect body frame and even if they do struggle will still get drafted or B) the average build player who posses all the tools and then lights of the stats book. Stats aren't weighted as much as you would think.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:21 pm to NorthEndZone
power?
average is not the whole story.
versatility? i.e., can he hit to the opposite power alley. can he get a bunt down the line.
does he leg out hits?
average is not the whole story.
versatility? i.e., can he hit to the opposite power alley. can he get a bunt down the line.
does he leg out hits?
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:26 pm to ReauxlTide222
Is the kid is 6'2 190, agile, with a strong arm he can hit .280 and get recruited by a ton of schools
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:27 pm to NorthEndZone
Like posters above stated there are many variables. For reference when I graduated in 03 I hit .481 with 15 homers in a good 4A district and the only D1 offers I had were ull, southern, cal poly, and Tennessee. My brother hit .355 with only 2 homers, but was drafted and had his pick basically of schools. He ran a legit 4.4 though and I was a 4.8 4.9
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:30 pm to NorthEndZone
no scout looks at averages.... the look at how they did vs KNOWN pitching/defense.
most HS stat guys fudge ridiculously anyway
most HS stat guys fudge ridiculously anyway
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:33 pm to choupiquesushi
I know a guy who played college baseball who was dh'd for in high school. It just depends on the situation and there are a lot of variable. Hitting.675 in 1a isn't as impressive as hitting.460 in 5a.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:37 pm to bayoutiger08
Exactly. I only hit .341 my junior year(5 HRs)...but was 6' 5'' 180. I was probably the 4th best hitter on our team, but could have gone anywhere. Just happened to be blessed with the right body type.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:37 pm to choupiquesushi
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most HS stat guys fudge ridiculously anyway
This is very true
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:49 pm to Boudreaux35
60 matters more than anything else. Can't teach speed.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:51 pm to JJ27
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60 matters more than anything else. Can't teach speed
And arm strength, unless the player is recruited as a 1B or 2B
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