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re: Westbrook, kyrie, or curry for the last shot
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:36 pm to redfishfan
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:36 pm to redfishfan
Reddy, your eyes are lying to you bubba. People that find a way to argue against hard facts are the worst.
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:37 pm to shel311
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Can you at least concede that Curry is really freaking good at finishing at the rim?
I think hes good at finishing at the rim. I think he's not that good getting there and that's why his % is so high because he only goes when its wide arse open.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:38 pm to Boomshockalocka
Where did all the Kyrie bandwagon fans come from? Just last year around the trade deadline all the Bron fans wanted him gone. Now you're taking him over two time MVP Curry?
Let's throw Lillard into the ring just cuz then
Let's throw Lillard into the ring just cuz then
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:39 pm to Lester Earl
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Reddy, your eyes are lying to you bubba. People that find a way to argue against hard facts are the worst.
I'm not arguing against the facts. I'm saying those stats don't tell a fraction of the story. Of course a guy that goes in there less and takes easier looks is going to have a higher percentage. Yall are focusing too much on the actual shot and not the fact that Westbrook can get there almost at will while Curry has to be extremely picky.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:40 pm to redfishfan
A lotta time Russ is able to get to the rim because he's not under control and uses so much energy to get to the rim that he's in no position to finish efficiently. and that's why he finishes at a Lower rate than we'd like to see.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:41 pm to redfishfan
quote:
I think hes good at finishing at the rim. I think he's not that good getting there and that's why his % is so high because he only goes when its wide arse open.
How does a player get wide arse open in a professional basketball league and such a high rate? Just pure luck? Why isn't Irving getting so many free looks at the rim?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:41 pm to redfishfan
quote:Good decision making should be a point for Curry, not a negative.
I think hes good at finishing at the rim. I think he's not that good getting there and that's why his % is so high because he only goes when its wide arse open.
Also, it could be as simple as he doesn't go to the rim as much because he's shooting ten 10s per game, unlike the other 2. Maybe he gets 1-2 less attempts at the rim, NOT because he's not good getting there, but because he's shooting more 3s than the other 2.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:42 pm to theducks
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Just last year around the trade deadline all the Baron fans wanted him gone.
quote:Yes.
Now you're taking him over two time MVP Curry?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:42 pm to theducks
Damian is my pick.
There's a bit of a conundrum with Irving. Those who wanna boost Lebron up will say kyrie isn't all that to make Lebron look better. But kyrie also has his own fans who rightfully love the guy.
People who are more cavs fans - pro Irving
People who are more lebron fans - anti Irving.
There's a bit of a conundrum with Irving. Those who wanna boost Lebron up will say kyrie isn't all that to make Lebron look better. But kyrie also has his own fans who rightfully love the guy.
People who are more cavs fans - pro Irving
People who are more lebron fans - anti Irving.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:43 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:Do you watch GS play basketball?
How does a player get wide arse open in a professional basketball league and such a high rate?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:44 pm to redfishfan
quote:Again, did you see the graph I posted?
I'm not arguing against the facts. I'm saying those stats don't tell a fraction of the story. Of course a guy that goes in there less and takes easier looks is going to have a higher percentage
Pretty sure it said he had more attempts per game at the rim than Irving AND a higher FG% on those attempts.
Curry averaged 4.8 attempts, and for references guys like Jimmy Butler averaged 5.4 and Harden at 5.1, not a crazy difference. You're making it sound like he rarely shoots at the rim, but that's not true. Ever see his shot chart, it's basically a 3 or at the rim. That's why his TS% is usually through the roof.
quote:Curry doesn't have to be. And also, what good does getting there at will do when you take really bad shots and thus aren't actually good at finishing since you're not very efficient at it?
nd not the fact that Westbrook can get there almost at will while Curry has to be extremely picky.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:45 pm to ReauxlTide222
Yes. But if you put Ricky Rubio in that lineup, he isn't getting 80 free layups a game.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:45 pm to shel311
quote:
Good decision making should be a point for Curry, not a negative.
It is a point for Curry and it's why he a vastly better player that Westbrook IMO but it doesn't mean he's better at getting to the rim. Curry is better at
Shooting
Passing
Decision making
Help Defense
Westbrook is better at
Getting to the rim.
Ball defense
rebound hunting
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:45 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Lebron doesn't need boosting. He led the finals in points, assists, rebounds, blocks, and steals. It's ok to recognize Kyrie's scoring ability without diminishing Lebron's greatness.
Those who wanna boost Lebron up will say kyrie isn't all that to make Lebron look better. But kyrie also has his own fans who rightfully love the guy.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:47 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Kyrie. Dude is money in games and situations that matter.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:47 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:I'm sure their offense certainly helps increase his numbers with some easy looks, but I think we may be over selling it, it's not like he's making 2 or 3 wide open, uncontested layups per game.
Do you watch GS play basketball?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:48 pm to ReauxlTide222
Whether he does need boosting or not people will still say kyrie isn't all that good to make Lebron look better.
When it comes to handles, shot making at the rim, 3 points shooting. Its kyrie and Steph in a class of their own with No one else in the conversation IMO.
When it comes to handles, shot making at the rim, 3 points shooting. Its kyrie and Steph in a class of their own with No one else in the conversation IMO.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:49 pm to redfishfan
quote:What is the benefit of this if you're not very good at converting those attempts?
Getting to the rim.
And secondarily, are you really THAT good at getting to the rim just because you have lot of attempts at the rim?
Getting to the rim a bunch but doing so in an out of control manner that causes you to take bad shots and be not so efficient, I'd argue that is not actually being really good at getting to the rim.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:49 pm to shel311
quote:
I'm sure their offense certainly helps increase his numbers with some easy looks, but I think we may be over selling it, it's not like he's making 2 or 3 wide open, uncontested layups per game.
He may be but guys like Westbrook and Kyrie are most likely reaping the benefits of fast break layups more than Curry is.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:50 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:Who knows? Idk.
Yes. But if you put Ricky Rubio in that lineup, he isn't getting 80 free layups a game.
And I'm with y'all on Curry over Westbrook in this situation. I just think Westbrook is better at getting to the rim and finishing.
Curry's 3 point percentage isn't anywhere near the leaders. There's a reason for it and he's still the best.
Westbrook takes retarded chances sometimes. Neat. To me, that doesn't mean he isn't better than Curry at getting to and finishing at the rim.
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