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re: Was the Oregon hit on the Nicholls State qb dirty?
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:08 pm to Forkbeard3777
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:08 pm to Forkbeard3777
dirty as shite
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Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:10 pm to Noplacelikehome
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That QB slid really late and he slid sideways. The Oregon player is going low to try and tackle him. How is he supposed to pull up so quickly? And he is committed to the tackle when the QB started his slide.
Mitchell did a Q&A on this and he said it was a bang - bang play but he knew right away that he'd be ejected. He said he thought the qb was going to try to get the first down and he committed before the slide. He said his shoulder hit the qbs head and not the crown of his helmet but according to the new rule it was an disqualifying hit.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:11 pm to Antiheroaz
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You'd be wrong.
nope
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:16 pm to bisonduck
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Mitchell did a Q&A on this and he said it was a bang - bang play but he knew right away that he'd be ejected. He said he thought the qb was going to try to get the first down and he committed before the slide. He said his shoulder hit the qbs head and not the crown of his helmet but according to the new rule it was an disqualifying hit.
I don't think it was "dirty" as in intentional or anything like that. However the Oregon player's bad form and attempt to make the big hit cost him because he definitely hit him helmet to helmet. This was due to the Oregon player ducking his head at impact.
This post was edited on 9/4/13 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:18 pm to elposter
Mitchell said he hit him with his shoulder or he'd have been woozy as well.
Also, as to his form, he said he thought the qb was going to lower his shoulder. That is why the form looked poor. Mitchell is a future 2nd/3rd round draft pick and pre-season all pac-12 CB.
Also, as to his form, he said he thought the qb was going to lower his shoulder. That is why the form looked poor. Mitchell is a future 2nd/3rd round draft pick and pre-season all pac-12 CB.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:19 pm to Forkbeard3777
Yeah I'm against all this targeting nonsense but that was dirty as shite.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:21 pm to Noplacelikehome
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That QB slid really late and he slid sideways. The Oregon player is going low to try and tackle him. How is he supposed to pull up so quickly? And he is committed to the tackle when the QB started his slide.
I see your point. I don't think he intended to do this, but he did lead with the head, and that's the new rule. I guarantee you Craig Loston will be ejected at least once this year.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:23 pm to Antiheroaz
Absolutely nothing wrong with that hit
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:23 pm to bisonduck
He was a runner, not defenseless, looked like he was going to go for the 1st down...can't read runner's mind, too many have faked going out of bounds or going down...bang-bang...have to make the tackle...how do you get lower, when the runner gets low and shows intent by lowering shoulder?
Rule was designed for receivers who weren't looking or aware of contact or a blindsided QB...not a QB turned runner in the open field who is well aware contact is coming.
B.S. call. This is football - bunch of responses in here like nobody ever played.
Rule was designed for receivers who weren't looking or aware of contact or a blindsided QB...not a QB turned runner in the open field who is well aware contact is coming.
B.S. call. This is football - bunch of responses in here like nobody ever played.
This post was edited on 9/4/13 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:23 pm to bisonduck
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Mitchell said he hit him with his shoulder or he'd have been woozy as well.
I don't see how anybody can watch that clip and not see the helmet to helmet pop. I am sure that he intended to hit him with his shoulder, but by ducking his head to make the tackle he messed up.
Mitchell is a very good DB. Doesn't have much to do with this call though.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:29 pm to elposter
Those were pretty poor angles on that clip. I watched a lot more conclusive video during the game and the pop was his shoulder on the dudes helmet.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:36 pm to bisonduck
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Mitchell said he hit him with his shoulder or he'd have been woozy as well.
Whatever... I guess since Mitchell says it, then I don't have to worry about believing what my eyes see on the replay. You know, that little part where he lowers his head at the last second and damn near knocks Herbert's head off. Yeah, that didn't happen 'cuz Mitchell said it didn't.
I don't think Mitchell intended to hurt him... he was merely playing aggressive. But it is clear, he was going in to hit Hebert with as much force with his helmet as possible.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:39 pm to bisonduck
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Those were pretty poor angles on that clip. I watched a lot more conclusive video during the game and the pop was his shoulder on the dudes helmet.
You clearly have been reading too many Rantards posts lately. Every clip has the same images... Mitchell lowers his helmet before the boom. He didn't have to do that. It is clearly targeting.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:39 pm to Forkbeard3777
This one was actually legit. The ones in the A&M and Cal games were terrible.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:41 pm to Zamoro10
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B.S. call. This is football - bunch of responses in here like nobody ever played.
If you really played, and you think that was a clean hit, too bad for you that you didn't have better coaching.
You NEVER lower your head down to make contact with the opposing player with the top of your helmet. Which is exactly what Mitchell did there.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:44 pm to Forkbeard3777
The worst part is the fans booing the ref. terrible.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:57 pm to Forkbeard3777
I'd say so.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 1:59 pm to Forkbeard3777
He was sliding, so yes.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 2:24 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Absolutely nothing wrong with that hit
I can see why you were mentioned in that "most hated OT poster thread"
To see that hit and say "absolutely" is intellectually dishonest.
The QB was sliding so any "form" tackle is technically illegal. A simple down touch is all thats needed. That's why NFLrs get flagged for unnecessary roughness if they even look the wrong way at a sliding Defenseless player.
Now on this hit. The DB was coming in head level making helmet to helmet (debatable)- shoulder to helmet contact on a defenseless player. What makes it dirty is he launched at a defenseless QB that was obviously beginning his slide BEFORE he engaged the runner.
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Defenders are required to treat a sliding runner as they would a runner who is down by contact. A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by a defender is illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender commits some other act, such as helmet-to-helmet contact or by driving his forearm or shoulder into the head or neck are of the runner.
ThugPOS
This post was edited on 9/4/13 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 9/4/13 at 3:26 pm to Forkbeard3777
That was a dirty hit. Dirty as frick.
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