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re: USSSA Baseball is a Joke
Posted on 3/18/21 at 10:35 am to danilo
Posted on 3/18/21 at 10:35 am to danilo
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So how is Jalen doing?
Getting a partial scholarship to LSU Eunice?
Actually his name is Baxijaxiton and we call him Boon for short. He played 1 year of high school ball and quit. He actually hated high school baseball and moved to football and track.
He did really enjoy his travel team, but fell out of love with the game.
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Posted on 3/18/21 at 11:02 am to Chad504boy
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there's a kid on our team who's father is a high school coach.
I know the Cannizaro family coaches a few young travel teams in the nola area.
What point are you trying to make? They are generalizing a system and comparing it to back in the days. Yes, good coaches have to manage kids and their arms etc. A lot of coaches are good guys and do so. Some coaches out there do not and are absolutely hurting kids.
Here’s the thing man, I’m not an expert or anything but I’ve coached a lot of baseball and basketball in my life through the high school level (not my kids teams).
These “select” programs can be great if you know what you’re actually getting. If your goal is to have your 8-13 year old be a really good 8-13 year old in their sport, learn a lot about the game, and play a shite load of games it’s fantastic. For a high school coach having freshmen come in with tons of experience is a big plus too in many cases. However once they get to be 16+ all that “experience” is nullified and the kids who are talented are going to be the ones playing regardless of how many games and practices they went through as a kid.
So helpful in helping your kid make the varsity team as a freshman or sophomore: yes
Helpful in making them a college athlete: doubtful
The cream rises to the top as they say
Posted on 3/18/21 at 11:06 am to Tiger1242
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If your goal is to have your 8-13 year old be a really good 8-13 year old in their sport, learn a lot about the game, and play a shite load of games it’s fantastic. For a high school coach having freshmen come in with tons of experience is a big plus too in many cases. However once they get to be 16+ all that “experience” is nullified and the kids who are talented are going to be the ones playing regardless of how many games and practices they went through as a kid.
So helpful in helping your kid make the varsity team as a freshman or sophomore: yes
Helpful in making them a college athlete: doubtful
The cream rises to the top as they say
So lets just say this is largely unargued.
You're saying that some sort of alternative is better.
What harm is being done to these kids who were maximized when at these ages and learned to play the game and excelled while doing so.
Just because they get passed up when puberty hits by maybe some other kids doesn't mean that they were wrong in playing the game at a high level at younger ages. That line of thinking is flawed. The alternative is that they just didn't learn to play the game and would be at even HUGER disadvantages when they got passed up in highschool regardless.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 11:16 am to Chad504boy
The major harms IMO is
1. Burnout, they play so much early they end up hating it later
2. Unrealistic expectations, they’ve played on the “best team” at their school forever, always thought they were amazing at whatever sport when in reality they were just more practiced. Once their friends/classmates catch up to and pass them it can be a really hard thing on a kid
3. With baseball specifically the risk of long term injury that could hamper them from playing in college or just bother them later on, especially if they are a pitcher. (I have personal experience with this one)
So I guess you just have to know your kid and handle it the best way you think for your particular kid.
1. Burnout, they play so much early they end up hating it later
2. Unrealistic expectations, they’ve played on the “best team” at their school forever, always thought they were amazing at whatever sport when in reality they were just more practiced. Once their friends/classmates catch up to and pass them it can be a really hard thing on a kid
3. With baseball specifically the risk of long term injury that could hamper them from playing in college or just bother them later on, especially if they are a pitcher. (I have personal experience with this one)
So I guess you just have to know your kid and handle it the best way you think for your particular kid.
This post was edited on 3/18/21 at 11:19 am
Posted on 3/18/21 at 11:26 am to Tiger1242
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1. Burnout, they play so much early they end up hating it later
it happens. but you also don't know that had they not been burned out that they would have still come to enjoy the sport at the same age where the intensity or competition changes. tough to know an alternative universe that isn't existing.
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2. Unrealistic expectations
i get it, but if you aren't working hard and give it your all then what's the point of anything? what example are we setting. Son, i don't really want you to be a great 11 yr old baseball player cause it may not mean much when you are 15 turning 16. I get it though, managing realistic expectations is important but its important for the kid to understand that they have to continue to work hard.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 11:35 am to Chad504boy
Again I think it depends on your kid and you as a parent. It seems like you are a good sports parent and understand what the actual important things are in youth sports so it’ll probably be a great thing for your kid 
This post was edited on 3/18/21 at 11:36 am
Posted on 3/18/21 at 11:55 am to okietiger
What's worse is what it's done to high school baseball as well
I've been to several games the last couple of years and it's pathetic the way parents act in the stands
I agree it's more on the parents than the kids and by the time they get to high school they've had enough of it
I've been to several games the last couple of years and it's pathetic the way parents act in the stands
I agree it's more on the parents than the kids and by the time they get to high school they've had enough of it
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:07 pm to Vood
Travel ball is a joke, and it has infected youth baseball like a cancer.
Travel ball wasn't really a thing when I was a kid, everyone played in the rec league and had a good time. There was no year round baseball, we had pee wee in the fall, basketball in the winter, baseball in the spring and if you were good enough, All Star baseball in the summer. That's how it should be. Now parents have their kids play one sport year round to where it becomes a chore rather than fun.
When I was 12 or so thats when kids started to leave the rec leagues and play on select/travel ball teams. Not one of them earned a baseball scholarship of any kind. Only one of them played baseball beyond high school, at an NAIA school.
Our chode high school baseball coach wouldn't let you play any sport but baseball. No two sport athletes allowed in his program. So many of us had to make a decision... I chose football, it pained me to give up baseball because I was better at it. But today, no regrets.. I was able to parlay that football decision into a walk on spot at TCU.
Travel ball wasn't really a thing when I was a kid, everyone played in the rec league and had a good time. There was no year round baseball, we had pee wee in the fall, basketball in the winter, baseball in the spring and if you were good enough, All Star baseball in the summer. That's how it should be. Now parents have their kids play one sport year round to where it becomes a chore rather than fun.
When I was 12 or so thats when kids started to leave the rec leagues and play on select/travel ball teams. Not one of them earned a baseball scholarship of any kind. Only one of them played baseball beyond high school, at an NAIA school.
Our chode high school baseball coach wouldn't let you play any sport but baseball. No two sport athletes allowed in his program. So many of us had to make a decision... I chose football, it pained me to give up baseball because I was better at it. But today, no regrets.. I was able to parlay that football decision into a walk on spot at TCU.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:10 pm to goldennugget
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Travel ball wasn't really a thing when I was a kid, everyone played in the rec league and had a good time. There was no year round baseball, we had pee wee in the fall, basketball in the winter, baseball in the spring and if you were good enough, All Star baseball in the summer. That's how it should be.
I mean that’s the age old “this is how I did it so everyone should do it” argument which I don’t like.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:16 pm to High C
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Braxxton and his two $400 bats, his 200 Nike travel bag
As a youth football coach, I think TD.com can retire this bit. Football names are equally ridiculous. Blame online research of names for babies, the only reason people call out Travelball is because seeing the names written on the line up card.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:18 pm to goldennugget
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Travel ball wasn't really a thing when I was a kid, everyone played in the rec league and had a good time. There was no year round baseball, we had pee wee in the fall, basketball in the winter, baseball in the spring and if you were good enough, All Star baseball in the summer. That's how it should be. Now parents have their kids play one sport year round to where it becomes a chore rather than fun. When I was 12 or so thats when kids started to leave the rec leagues and play on select/travel ball teams. Not one of them earned a baseball scholarship of any kind. Only one of them played baseball beyond high school, at an NAIA school.
So if they played year round and focused on one sport they would play for the Red Sox?
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:19 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
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As a youth football coach, I think TD.com can retire this bit. Football names are equally ridiculous. Blame online research of names for babies, the only reason people call out Travelball is because seeing the names written on the line up card
Give us examples baw
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:23 pm to Chad504boy
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They are 9 years old and play the game better than a 14 yr old rec team i remember being on.
Lmao
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:39 pm to Tiger1242
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I mean that’s the age old “this is how I did it so everyone should do it” argument which I don’t like
It's not just that.
One of my main objections to travel ball and the damage/destruction it can mean for rec ball is that rec ball is the only opportunity some kids have. Poor and minority kids are being left out, at least where I live.
Rec ball just means something for the community, and select ball cannot replace that.
This post was edited on 3/18/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:50 pm to BornCritic
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Rec ball just means something for the community, and select ball cannot replace that.
how wide a net is there being cast for such select ball though?
because it's not select ball if it's not select
Posted on 3/18/21 at 5:42 pm to danilo
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Give us examples baw
Most of the youth football players are black yet they have the same names as the baseball kids that TD.com mocks.
Jaden Jaylen Caden Kamren it goes on and on. I’m just saying, the first guy to mock a silly name here, did so because he saw a line-up card for a travelball club. Check out a school yearbook, you’ll realize it’s a generation thing not a baseball thing.
This post was edited on 3/18/21 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 3/18/21 at 11:06 pm to Chad504boy
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playing the game at a high level at younger ages
There is no high level at younger ages. The only people that it matters to are the parents living through their kid and the "programs" raking in money. No one offering a scholarship ever asked what his stats were and who they played against at 12.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 7:31 am to mametoo
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There is no high level at younger ages.
Lol, what?
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The only people that it matters to are the parents living through their kid and the "programs" raking in money.
My kid is on the youngest end of the travel ball age range, but him trying out for and making this team has been an immense source of pride. He enjoys practicing as much as he does playing in the games. He works harder in school so he can continue to play on this team.
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No one offering a scholarship ever asked what his stats were and who they played against at 12.
Do you know how many kids are on college coaches’ radars by 12?
I’m not one of these crazy travel ball dads. My kid plays because he likes it. When he wants to pull back, or if we think he needs to pull back, we’ll pull the plug. That said, you seem to be wrong on pretty much all of your points.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 7:53 am to theOG
There is no doubt that U-Trip and the other organizations are a business that looks to maximize profits.
It is also true that, in general, tournament baseball and the teams/organizations involved will provide a more conducive environment for player development.
BOTH can be true at the same time.
The really sad part is that right now there is a “turf war” in Baton Rouge between U-Trip and Perfect Game. And it is absolutely affecting the quality of tournaments being offered locally, which hurts the kids who are stuck in the middle of this nasty business.
It is also true that, in general, tournament baseball and the teams/organizations involved will provide a more conducive environment for player development.
BOTH can be true at the same time.
The really sad part is that right now there is a “turf war” in Baton Rouge between U-Trip and Perfect Game. And it is absolutely affecting the quality of tournaments being offered locally, which hurts the kids who are stuck in the middle of this nasty business.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 9:11 am to Vood
We had one where we were awaiting the 2-3 seed to play for the championship. The 3 seed was up 15 runs in the 2nd inning. Tournament was called for rain and the 2nd seed got second.
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