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re: UCONN has four national titles since 1999
Posted on 4/8/14 at 2:15 pm to goldennugget
Posted on 4/8/14 at 2:15 pm to goldennugget
UCONN is a Tier 1 basketball program. People trying to argue this are just being dumb. All the Bama football/Kentucky basketball fans can go frick themselves.
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 2:29 pm to RedHawk
Kansas actually has 57 conference titles. Just to add a little bit. No actual college basketball fans rank uconn ahead of Kansas yet, but they are closer than they should be because of kansas losing so many title games
The worst thing that ever happened to kansas for these discussions was losing a triple overtime game to unc 60 years ago.
The worst thing that ever happened to kansas for these discussions was losing a triple overtime game to unc 60 years ago.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 2:59 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Last time I checked, 4 > 3.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 3:00 pm to joeyb147
Winning is all that matters. UConn wins. More than KU and UNC too
Posted on 4/8/14 at 3:15 pm to Ghazi
North Carolina has won 5 titles, so they're still ahead.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 3:47 pm to Dubosed
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UCONN is a Tier 1 basketball program.
How big is your tier?
If your tier 1 = 1-4, probably not
If your tier 1 = 1-8, possibly
If your tier 1 = 1-12, probably
It is like football, as folks do the same thing. One person might consider only 1-6 as tier 1 football while others may go as broad as the Top 25. The more elite you are means more things your overall program must be successful at.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 3:49 pm to Cheese Grits
Why do people still call Indiana elite?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 3:52 pm to Lester Earl
Bobby Knight
Hoosiers - the movie
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Hoosiers - the movie
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 3:53 pm to Paul Allen
It's like considering the Knicks an elite NBA team
Historically they are upper echelon
Currently they are tier 3 or 4 college team.
Historically they are upper echelon
Currently they are tier 3 or 4 college team.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 3:53 pm to Paul Allen
Sweet 16 rings. 
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:16 pm to RedHawk
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1) UCLA
2) Kentucky
3) UNC
4) Kansas
5) Duke
6) Indiana
7) UConn
I'd take yours, switch UNC and Kansas, and expand to 8 and add Louisville. I might switch UCLA and Ky too.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:23 pm to Lester Earl
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Why do people still call Indiana elite?
Same reason Notre Dame still outdraws most of college football. Hoosiers have a large and devoted basketball following who travel when they play. Uconn and Duke may win the recent NC's but like Miami in football, they have lousy fan support.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 4:58 pm to Korin
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Last time I checked, 4 > 3.
So national titles in a one and done crapshoot system is more important that all time history? Get out of here with that. There is more to the criteria of ranking all time programs than just national titles. National titles should carry a big weight in the criteria but it isn't the end all be all. All time winning percentage, number of times in the tournament, number of conference championships and number of final fours also have to be included.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 5:03 pm to Ghazi
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UConn wins. More than KU and UNC too
4 is more than 5 now? I must have missed that memo.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 5:11 pm to RedHawk
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number of final fours also have to be included
Interesting when looking at schools with 5 appearances
Connecticut
Florida
Georgetown
Houston
Illinois
Michigan
Syracuse
Not an "elite" looking list
These schools have 6 Final Fours and nobody is saying they are elite
Arkansas
Cincinnati
Oklahoma State
Now look at the list of schools with 8 or more
Michigan State
Indiana
Ohio State
Louisville
Kansas
Duke
Kentucky
UCLA
North Carolina
Posted on 4/8/14 at 6:12 pm to RedHawk
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So national titles in a one and done crapshoot system is more important that all time history? Get out of here with that. There is more to the criteria of ranking all time programs than just national titles. National titles should carry a big weight in the criteria but it isn't the end all be all. All time winning percentage, number of times in the tournament, number of conference championships and number of final fours also have to be included.
The standard in every team sport is championships won (with the obvious exception of FBS football).
Posted on 4/8/14 at 6:47 pm to Cheese Grits
quote:
Same reason Notre Dame still outdraws most of college football. Hoosiers have a large and devoted basketball following who travel when they play.
crowd size doesnt make them elite.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:57 pm to Lester Earl
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crowd size doesnt make them elite.
alone, no
Win 5 NCAA titles to go with it and you have an elite team
#1 Large and rabid fan base = yes
#2 5+ NCAA titles won by multiple coaches = yes
#3 Basketball crazy state - yes
#4 1,700+ wins = yes
#5 Top 10 all time program = yes
#6 Large public state school = yes
#7 8+ Final Fours = yes
#8 20+ Sweet Sixteen = yes
#9 17,000+ seats in home venue = yes
#10 = NCAA appearances in 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's, and 10's = yes
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