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Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:07 pm to hoopsgalore
The career stats aren't going to help the argument for Brady as 10-15 years from now mediocre qbs will be passing for 5k per season and 35 or ore tds. The NFL is pushing hard for increased offense and Brady, manning, brees and Rodgers have taken advantage. All of those records by Brees, Brady , manning and Rodgers will be surpassed in the not too distant future.
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:09 pm to shel311
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So you have Bradshaw in the discussion AND think not getting to 2 extra Super Bowls makes you superior?
I just mentioned Bradshaw since he was the other one to win 4 super bowls. Bradshaw is barely top 20. Going to and losing 2 extra SBs does not make you superior. Since you can't compare stats because of the differences in the games now and then, I consider winning SB percentage. When there is a 33% gap, Montana>>>>>Brady.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:09 pm to Jake88
quote:Unless they're instituting more rules changes, Rodgers numbers are not likely to be surpassed soon by multiple players, that's highly unlikely.
The career stats aren't going to help the argument for Brady as 10-15 years from now mediocre qbs will be passing for 5k per season and 35 or ore tds. The NFL is pushing hard for increased offense and Brady, manning, brees and Rodgers have taken advantage. All of those records by Brees , manning and Rodgers will be surpassed in the not too distant future
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:09 pm to Jake88
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The career stats aren't going to help the argument for Brady as 10-15 years from now mediocre qbs will be passing for 5k per season and 35 or ore tds
Not with his insanely low INT % considering how many passes he has thrown in his career. #2 all time. Top 5 QBR as well. Its not just number accumulation that is eye popping about Brady. He is also extremely efficient and careful with the football.
Also, as far as stat piling goes, no one will probably have his postseason stats again IMO. Winning 12 division titles and making 6 superbowls just isn't going to happen for 1 QB again IMO.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:10 pm to TheCaterpillar
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This is so tired.
Brady has insane stats and wins throughout a long career to pair with his 6 superbowls and 4 SB wins.
He has thrown like 7,000 passes and had 143 INTs. 2nd all-time in Pass Interception % behind Rodgers and like top 5 for TDs, comp %, yards, game winning drives, comebacks, QBR, etc.
I don't think that anyone is saying that Brady isn't one of the greats. What I think he is trying to say rather is that the idea that an individual player being on a team that wins a superbowl is not some sort of shut down argument as to greatness. It's a team sport, and it takes a team to win.
What this win proves is that the Patriots organization over the last 15 years or so, of which Brady has been a huge part, is one of the best if not the best in the history of the sport. It is less certain that the team accomplishment proves anything definite as far as whatever rankings people want to make about quarterbacks. It's a team sport. That's all.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:10 pm to WeeWee
quote:So you have losing in the NFC playoffs as a greater accomplishment than winning the NFC and losing in the Super Bowl? That makes no sense fwiw.
Going to and losing 2 extra SBs does not make you superior. Since you can't compare stats because of the differences in the games now and then, I consider winning SB percentage. When there is a 33% gap, Montana>>>>>Brady.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:11 pm to WeeWee
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Going to and losing 2 extra SBs does not make you superior.
Going to super bowl and losing >> Not going to super bowl.
Not sure how you can debate that.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:12 pm to shel311
Absolutely there will be more rule changes coming, especially in regards to concussions and further protection of the qb and "defenseless" wrs. WRs can feel fairly free to go across the middle these days compared to 20 years ago. That's only going to get easier.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:12 pm to TH03
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Rings put him above Rodgers, but Rodgers is the better qb IMO. Rodgers at 100% is the most amazing player on any field.
Rodgers easily could be the best when it's all said and done. But let's let him play another 6 years first (Rodgers is 31; Brady is 37).
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:15 pm to TheCaterpillar
Yes, Rodgers will get passed. Rule changes have made it far more difficult to cover wrs and more difficult to intercept the ball. Even offensive line changes about how they are allowed to block and give the qb more time have helped qbs.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:16 pm to okietiger
Rodgers playing at his peak is fricking poetry in motion.
Its near perfection from the QB position and its beautiful.
But I agree he needs the career to put him in the conversation as GOAT, which I'm sure he'll have.
Its near perfection from the QB position and its beautiful.
But I agree he needs the career to put him in the conversation as GOAT, which I'm sure he'll have.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:47 pm to shel311
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So you have losing in the NFC playoffs as a greater accomplishment than winning the NFC and losing in the Super Bowl?
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That makes no sense fwiw.
No trying to compare 2 quarterbacks from 2 completely different eras of football makes no sense. Brady doesn't have to try and play against the 85 Bears type defenses or the Dome Patrol. There in no close to LT (the original) in todays NFL. Bart Star has 7 NFL championships and played in 8 NFL championship games. So 8 is better than 6 or 4 and I don't think anyone will say that Bart Starr is a better qb than Montana or Brady?
They are all 3 top tier QBs in NFL history and the best of their generations, but you can not compare one to the other since they don't play in the same era.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:50 pm to WeeWee
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No trying to compare 2 quarterbacks from 2 completely different eras of football makes no sense. Brady doesn't have to try and play against the 85 Bears type defenses or the Dome Patrol.
But on the flip side, Montana didn't have to deal with the free agency and salary cap restrictions that are in place in today's game.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:26 pm to RollTide1987
Anybody with a brain knows that Brady is a living legend.
Until Rogers wins a few more he is irrelevant. Manning is going down as an underachiever in the playoffs.
Montana and Bradshaw didn't do it through free agency and don't have the stats to touch Brady. The man may not be the best ever but good luck finding anyone that was better.
Until Rogers wins a few more he is irrelevant. Manning is going down as an underachiever in the playoffs.
Montana and Bradshaw didn't do it through free agency and don't have the stats to touch Brady. The man may not be the best ever but good luck finding anyone that was better.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:29 pm to TOKEN
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The man may not be the best ever but good luck finding anyone that was better.
This made me laugh, not sure why
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:35 pm to TheCaterpillar
It's because you can't prove it either way
It's still an opinion but my eyes are telling me he is in his own league. What if Brady has 2 more Superbowls in him?
Who thinks Rogers, Manning or Brees could win a Super Bowl with that NE team last night? I don't!
It's still an opinion but my eyes are telling me he is in his own league. What if Brady has 2 more Superbowls in him?
Who thinks Rogers, Manning or Brees could win a Super Bowl with that NE team last night? I don't!
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:36 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Brady relied on the defense a lot more in his first 3, but this year, that win is on him.
He fricking killed it when it mattered last night. KILLED IT. He went into another stratosphere in the 4th quarter of the Superbowl playing the best defense and secondary in the league.
bingo. he was fricking insane
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:36 pm to TOKEN
Rodgers absolutely could if he was healthy.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:38 pm to TH03
4 TDs to 4 different receivers, 2 in his final 2 drives of the game
I used to roll my eyes when people talked about elevating your play in crunch time, but at this point how can anyone deny that.
The biggest deficit overcome in a super bowl is 10 points...brady overcame that deficit in just two drives.
I used to roll my eyes when people talked about elevating your play in crunch time, but at this point how can anyone deny that.
The biggest deficit overcome in a super bowl is 10 points...brady overcame that deficit in just two drives.
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