I don't get it. What does that have to do with anything? By all accounts, he has a good relationship with the child's mother and is very involved in his son's life.

I mean, what point are you trying to make here?

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Posted by H-Town Tiger

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:14 am to oleyeller

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ootball is a sport where there will never be a "goat". One player doesnt have near as much impact in a game as in basketball, or hockey.

GOAT arguments in general have become stupid and annoying. and worse people take it so personal. What's funny is with QB's its all about the rings, but not other positions. On this board people have argued Randy Moss is the great WR over Rice, using the logic of the Brady peeps in this thread, you must be stupid or jealous to not call Rice the GOAT over Moss

Would anyone argue Charles Haley > than Lawrence Taylor? I mean 5 > 2 right?

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Posted by shel311

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:23 am to Gator Mike

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I don't get it. What does that have to do with anything? By all accounts, he has a good relationship with the child's mother and is very involved in his son's life.

I mean, what point are you trying to make here?

Best post in this thread!!!

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Posted by shel311

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:24 am to H-Town Tiger

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Would anyone argue Charles Haley > than Lawrence Taylor? I mean 5 > 2 right?

Exactly.

And you can make a good argument that right after QB, a defensive end has the 2nd biggest impact on a game by position.

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Posted by oleyeller

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:00 am to shel311

i dont care what anyone says dan marino is a top 3-5 qb of all time with zero rings. Jim kelly is up there too. Put either on the niners and they have multiple rings.

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Posted by Jcorye1

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:05 pm to oleyeller

For what it's worth, people forget how bad Beastmode was in short yardage situations that year. NE also had 6 defensive linemen on the field.

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Posted by oleyeller

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:17 pm to Jcorye1

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For what it's worth, people forget how bad Beastmode was in short yardage situations that year. NE also had 6 defensive linemen on the field.

thats not even the point... point is had pats not won that bowl or this one because of those two pass plays it would had not made brady any less good than he is now. Just using "rings" as argument as to why he is great is ridiculous. Had he lost those 2 bowls because of 2 plays he wouldnt had been great or "goat" to some? its just a dumb argument

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Posted by Knight of Old

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:04 pm to oleyeller

Here's a dumb argument that you ignored when first posted:
NFL records
Playoffs (career)
• Most games played: 34
• Most games started by a quarterback: 34
• Most games won by a starting quarterback: 25
• Most consecutive wins, playoffs, by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)
• Most consecutive wins to start a career, post-season, by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)
• Most career home wins, post-season, by a starting quarterback: 15 (2001–2016)
• Most consecutive home wins, post-season, by a starting quarterback: 8 (2001–2007), tied with Jim Kelly
• Most touchdown passes: 63
• Most passing yards: 9,094
• Most passes completed: 831
• Most passes attempted: 1,325
• Most division titles won by a starting quarterback: 14
• Most NFL conference championship appearances by a starting quarterback: 11
• Most NFL conference championship wins by a starting quarterback: 7
• Most career 300+ passing yard games, post-season: 11
Super Bowl (career)
• Most touchdown passes: 15
• Most passing yards: 2,071
• Most passes completed: 207
• Most passes attempted: 309
• Most wins as starting QB: 5
• Most passes completed in first half of a single Super Bowl: 20 (XLIX)
• Most passes completed in a single Super Bowl: 43 (LI)
• Most passes attempted in a single Super Bowl: 62 (LI)
• Most passing yards in a single Super Bowl: 466 (LI)
• Most Super Bowl appearances: 7
• And counting
• And counting
• And counting
• And counting

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Posted by oleyeller

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:23 pm to Knight of Old

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Here's a dumb argument that you ignored when first posted:

And i can name numerous qbs with tons of nfl records. Manning, brees, arod... all have tons of records.

or you could ignore a few things

Peytons record vs brady in playoffs (3-2)
peytons record vs brady in af championship games (3-1)

or eli's record vs brady in superbowl (2-0)

its pretty safe to say the manning family owns brady... but none of that fits your argument does it?

Crazy how someone can pick and choose what they want to determine who is better isnt it?

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Posted by TT9

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:28 pm to oleyeller

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Peytons record vs brady in playoffs (3-2)

literally all you halfwits have now.

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Posted by oleyeller

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:39 pm to TT9

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literally all you halfwits have now.

and all you argue is rings... a team award. Same difference, i wasnt even arguing that. I posted that to show you how it sounds saying ring, ring, ring. So like i said

peyton owns brady in playoffs
eli owns brady in playoffs

sorry that doesnt sit well with your arguments

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Posted by Knight of Old

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Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:39 pm to oleyeller