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re: The Cavs can beat the Warriors
Posted on 4/23/16 at 1:15 am to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 4/23/16 at 1:15 am to VerlanderBEAST
If James, Irving, and Love are 3 of the top 5 players in the series they can win
If Curry, Green, and Thompson are 3 of the top 5 players in the series the Dubs will win
If Curry, Green, and Thompson are 3 of the top 5 players in the series the Dubs will win
This post was edited on 4/23/16 at 1:16 am
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Posted on 4/23/16 at 1:18 am to SirWinston
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If James, Irving, and Love are 3 of the top 5 players in the series they can win
If Curry, Green, and Thompson are 3 of the top 5 players in the series the Dubs will win
Curry and Thompson will be the better if JR Smith plays
Posted on 4/23/16 at 1:25 am to VerlanderBEAST
Can? Yes. But it's very unlikely. And that's provided the Warriors make it past the Spurs, which isn't a given.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 1:55 am to bulldog95
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last years finals then the cavs beat the Warriors last year.
I have no idea why so many people say this. I mean, they might have, but they also could have had the exact same result. Kyrie is a terrible matchup defensively for the Warriors, and it's not like Kevin Love is all-defense either.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 6:09 am to Dawgsontop34
Imagine how the Warriors would look without Thompson and Green. In that scenario, do you think the Warriors still win if the Cavs had been healthy? Probably not. Removing two of the most productive players on a team changes everything in basketball. Given the Cavs perceived overachievement due to their injury situation, many people naturally conclude that adding their two missing all-star players to a competitive series would've been enough for them to win. It may be an oversimplification, but it's an easy deduction to make considering how their replacements performed in the series.
By replacing Irving and Love with Dellavedova and Mosgov, you're essentially shrinking the floor and giving away possessions due to a drastically lower team FG% since suddenly no one is open anymore. Obviously Golden State is the last team you'd want to do that against, as many of your misses turn into points on the other end. Mosgov actually played pretty well and gave them a rebounding edge, but Love provides spacing that helps guys like Smith, Shumpert, and Dellavedova get open looks. Their entire purpose on that team was built around this philosophy.
Kyrie's liability on the defensive end wouldn't have offset his impact offensively. Lebron was the only guy who could create his own shot, so Irving's presence would've made a massive difference. Love may have struggled defensively but he spreads the floor, is a good passer, and runs the pick and roll, which would've played a significant role in generating offense. If he's there, Lebron likely isn't driving into Igoudala's chest at the end of the shot clock every possession to force up a bad shot. With those two Lebron doesn't have to take 35 shots a game resulting in tired legs and settle-jumpers. That offense was painfully imbalanced and the Cavs still went up 2-1. Obviously there's no guarantee that the Cavs would've won the series, but I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption to believe so.
By replacing Irving and Love with Dellavedova and Mosgov, you're essentially shrinking the floor and giving away possessions due to a drastically lower team FG% since suddenly no one is open anymore. Obviously Golden State is the last team you'd want to do that against, as many of your misses turn into points on the other end. Mosgov actually played pretty well and gave them a rebounding edge, but Love provides spacing that helps guys like Smith, Shumpert, and Dellavedova get open looks. Their entire purpose on that team was built around this philosophy.
Kyrie's liability on the defensive end wouldn't have offset his impact offensively. Lebron was the only guy who could create his own shot, so Irving's presence would've made a massive difference. Love may have struggled defensively but he spreads the floor, is a good passer, and runs the pick and roll, which would've played a significant role in generating offense. If he's there, Lebron likely isn't driving into Igoudala's chest at the end of the shot clock every possession to force up a bad shot. With those two Lebron doesn't have to take 35 shots a game resulting in tired legs and settle-jumpers. That offense was painfully imbalanced and the Cavs still went up 2-1. Obviously there's no guarantee that the Cavs would've won the series, but I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption to believe so.
This post was edited on 4/23/16 at 6:27 am
Posted on 4/23/16 at 7:46 am to stevo1905
Posted on 4/23/16 at 7:54 am to stevo1905
But Love doesn't even play to his own strengths on this team.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 7:58 am to stevo1905
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Kyrie's liability on the defensive end wouldn't have offset his impact offensively. Lebron was the only guy who could create his own shot, so Irving's presence would've made a massive difference. Love may have struggled defensively but he spreads the floor, is a good passer, and runs the pick and roll, which would've played a significant role in generating offense.
This is all true. In most series that would help the Cavs win. Against the Warriors, that may get them swept. If the Cavs try and play "small ball" with the Warriors, they will lose.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 8:39 am to VerlanderBEAST
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1. JR Smith can't play at all.
Wut
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2. Mozgov, Thompson, Love have to dominate on the glass
Wut
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3. Shumpert and Dellvadova have to be aggressive on offense and force Curry to play D
Wut
Posted on 4/23/16 at 8:53 am to VerlanderBEAST
Sure they can. The odds though are very unlikely.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 8:57 am to VerlanderBEAST
People hate LeBron, so it's cool to hate on the Cavs. Fact is they are a really good team and the Cavs gave the Warriors everything they wanted last year with two of their best players out. If you don't think Kyrie playing would have made a difference, you're high.
That said, the Warriors are better this year and imo the Cavs are not as good without Blatt. Even at full strength they would have their hands full. I definitely see them winning a couple in Cleveland, but they would have to play a near perfect series to pull it off IF the Warriors are healthy
That said, the Warriors are better this year and imo the Cavs are not as good without Blatt. Even at full strength they would have their hands full. I definitely see them winning a couple in Cleveland, but they would have to play a near perfect series to pull it off IF the Warriors are healthy
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:07 am to Starchild
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If you don't think Kyrie playing would have made a difference, you're high.
pretty much
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:33 am to UNO
It would have...love playing would have made difference too. ..it would have ende in 5 instead of 6 because the way tue cavs play when healthy would play into warriors hands and delly did a 100x better job on curry then kyrie couldve.
Taking aeay possessions and tough defenders was their success but people will will continue tp say the untrue statement of healthy cavs win it.
Taking aeay possessions and tough defenders was their success but people will will continue tp say the untrue statement of healthy cavs win it.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:43 am to VerlanderBEAST
Heat are going to beat the cavs in the ecf
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:45 am to fightingtiger2335
quote:That completely ignores the offensive side of the ball.
It would have...love playing would have made difference too. ..it would have ende in 5 instead of 6 because the way tue cavs play when healthy would play into warriors hands and delly did a 100x better job on curry then kyrie couldve.
Taking aeay possessions and tough defenders was their success but people will will continue tp say the untrue statement of healthy cavs win it.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:53 am to shel311
Healthy Cleveland isn't beating he warriors in a fast pace game 4 times
Thought that part was obvious. Having love hurt esp was blessing in disguise and whatever kyrie wouldve did steph would have scored alot more because lf lack of d
Thought that part was obvious. Having love hurt esp was blessing in disguise and whatever kyrie wouldve did steph would have scored alot more because lf lack of d
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:57 am to VerlanderBEAST
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JR Smith can't play at all
This makes no sense
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Mozgov, Thompson, Love have to dominate on the glass
Mozgov shouldn't play at all if the Cavs want to have a chance
Posted on 4/23/16 at 10:30 am to KillerNut9
Verlander with the trash takes again.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 10:36 am to fightingtiger2335
IMO the blueprint for the Cavs to beat them in a series is how they played on Christmas. Cavs slowed the game down but Kyrie was just coming back and couldn't contribute much down the stretch and that was the difference in the game. That was a much tougher, much more physical game than Golden State likes to play.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 11:01 am to fightingtiger2335
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It would have...love playing would have made difference too. ..it would have ende in 5 instead of 6 because the way tue cavs play when healthy would play into warriors hands and delly did a 100x better job on curry then kyrie couldve. Taking aeay possessions and tough defenders was their success but people will will continue tp say the untrue statement of healthy cavs win it.
Exactly. People act like it would have been in the Cavs favor to play in higher scoring games against GS
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