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re: Strategies that football coaches should do but never do
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:19 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:19 pm to Jcorye1
quote:I'd trust Brady to make the right decision so that, for the most part, the worst that'll happen is the same result as the spike, an incomplete pass.
Spiking gives the QBs time to read the defense. I'd rather be down a down with Tom Brady getting WRs into favorable matchups than quickly running a canned two minute play if at all possible.
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:20 pm to shel311
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For the most part, I don't understand spikes in most situations. Have 2 plays called or some very simple ways to call some quick plays, and you can add maybe 3-5 seconds and get an actual play off, instead of the spike.
We're talking about football players here. As much as they are trained and practice, you often you seen them not go out of bound?
If you're down with limited time, the downs can be gained again(just get another 1st down). The time cannot.
Now if it's 40 seconds left at 1st and goal, you should not spike since you have plenty of time to get 4 plays in. This is when the down is more important. Now if it 10 seconds left and it's 1st and goal, you should spike. You see where I'm going with this?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:20 pm to shel311
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I'd trust Brady to make the right decision so that, for the most part, the worst that'll happen is the same result as the spike, an incomplete pass.
But he doesn't get that extended pre-snap read action in first, scooting people around. He also doesn't get to have a slightly longer chat with Josh McDaniels if he hurries up and runs a play.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:22 pm to PeteRose
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You so have multiple ways of winning. Whereas if you kick the FG, you're only way to win is a defensive stop.
Yea you always have multiple ways of winning but youre sitting here basically saying that putting more points on the board is a bad thing.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:25 pm to Jones
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Yea you always have multiple ways of winning but youre sitting here basically saying that putting more points on the board is a bad thing
Sometimes you have to think outside the box.
Let's say you're it's tie game, and you have 1st and goal at the 1. The other teams have no time outs. You rather be up 7, giving the other team 1:55 left? Or you rather kick a short fg for the Win with 2 seconds left?
Which way gives you a higher chance of winning?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:26 pm to PeteRose
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If you're up 3 with 2 minutes to go and your opponent has no Time out left....and it's 4 and 1 at the opponent's 30, don't kick the FG. Sure you may be up 6 and force the other team to "score a TD to beat you". It's the common thing that people say and repeat. But let's break it down.
By choosing to go up 6, you're just taking a tie out of the equation. You're forcing your opponent to go TD or bust.
By go for it you can win by:
1. Making the 1st down and have the QB kneel
2. Have your defense stop them(Your defense still have to stop them up 6 anyway)
3. If the opponent kick a FG, you can still win in OT.
You so have multiple ways of winning. Whereas if you kick the FG, you're only way to win is a defensive stop.
im with you on this.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:26 pm to Tiger Ryno
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It's just like a change of possession stoppage after a TD. You can't ambush the other team.
Lulz, you're wrong.
No you can't sprint to the line and snap it a second after scoring, but you could absolutely quickly get to the line and force the defense into panicking.
It's not something that you're likely to do on every play, but I definitely think in the right situation it could get a panic timeout.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:27 pm to SirWinston
Not only are 2pt conversions delayed too late, but an argument can be made they should be attempted in lieu of an XP with the new distance. In 2016, XPAs resulted in .936 points per attempt. 2PAs resulted in .971 points per attempt.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:28 pm to PeteRose
Well now thats a completely different situation.
Your previous scenario was 2 minutes left and its 4th down.
Your previous scenario was 2 minutes left and its 4th down.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:28 pm to FootballNostradamus
Wait they review every score in NCAA and NFL you can not "hurry up" to the line. Plus they ask the offense where you want the ball spotted.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:28 pm to Jones
Or being up 1 pt with 1 minute to go at the other team's 1 yard line, should you take a knee or run a play? Sometimes if you score, you give the other team the chance to win or tie. If if you don't score, you don't give them any chance. Then the later option is more optimal even though it sounds counter productive at face value.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:29 pm to SirWinston
TD late in the game to go up 7 points. Go for two instead of kicking the xp. So instead of "making them go for two of they score a TD," you go for the win right there. If you don't get it, you're still up 7. This is a smart gamble IMO.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:29 pm to PeteRose
How many time outs does the defense have?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:29 pm to castorinho
Second one is more situational but when the Texans decided to kick the FG to force the Pats to score a TD, you just knew Brady would March down and score a TD. If a guy like Brady or Rodgers is the other's team QB, I'm going for it on 4th there (it was 4th and fairly short, I think). I'm not giving those guys a chance to carve me up.
Final one. Opposing team is in hurry up and driving, my D is visibly gassed. More often than not, the D doesn't call a TO to let the guys rushing on every down recuperate because they want to preserve a TO and don't want to give the offense a chance at drawing something good. We'll sometimes it's better to call that TO on D.
Final one. Opposing team is in hurry up and driving, my D is visibly gassed. More often than not, the D doesn't call a TO to let the guys rushing on every down recuperate because they want to preserve a TO and don't want to give the offense a chance at drawing something good. We'll sometimes it's better to call that TO on D.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:31 pm to castorinho
But you do not need to call a TO though if the offense substitutes any WR.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:31 pm to castorinho
upvote
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:32 pm to Goldrush25
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They should go for it on 4th down much more often than they do, especially 4th and short.
Agree with that. There was actually a good HBO Real Sports segment on a high school coach that never punts I believe they had a stats guy run the numbers and the results showed that coaches should be a little more bold on 4th Down.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:33 pm to Jcorye1
quote:I agree, but as I said I'd still trust that Brady can still make a play as opposed to giving away a down entirely.
But he doesn't get that extended pre-snap read action in first, scooting people around. He also doesn't get to have a slightly longer chat with Josh McDaniels if he hurries up and runs a play.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:33 pm to SirWinston
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. When you are down by 7 points late in a game and score a TD, every offensive player should have it ingrained in them that you will line up to go for 2 without hesitation. The opposing coaching staff and defense - stunned and with the game potentially on the line - will almost certainly burn an incredibly valuable timeout, which will obviously harm their chances of driving for a last-second FG and avoiding OT. If the defense calls your bluff and doesn't burn one of their timeouts, you can simply burn yours, which is essentially worthless seeing as you are about to kick off and there's only a minute or so left. You then kick the XP.
I like this idea.
If I were a coach I would angle-shoot at every chance to force every opposing team to burn 2nd half timeouts.
I would do lots of wacky special teams formations like swinging gates for 4th and shorts, unexpected onsides kick formations, and lining up in a wildcat formation on a FG attempt with my kicker on the field.
Second half timeouts are supremely valuable so why not coax your opponent into wasting them on bullshite plays?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:33 pm to castorinho
If your d is gassed and no. Timeouts left have a assistant Coach fake a heart attack right on the edge of the sideline and Field. This will cause a long stoppage.
You could also have a "sleeper" fan in the stands that you give the signal To And He runs put. On the field causing another delay.
You could also have a "sleeper" fan in the stands that you give the signal To And He runs put. On the field causing another delay.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 12:34 pm
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