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re: St Louis Cardinals. Buyers or Sellers?
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:44 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:44 am to WestCoastAg
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the cardinals are looking at 3rd place in the division for a really long time
I'd argue that the Cardinals are set-up for the next 5-10 years better than any other team in the division. Solely because of the pitching they have coming through.
No other team in the central can match the pitching they have (either young on the big league roster or coming through the system).
Offense is another story as they don't have anyone coming up other than Kelly or Sierra. But pitching is what keeps teams competitive.
Now as long as Matheny is manager none of this matters so they could just be spinning their wheels for the next 3,4,5 years.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:47 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Just hack into other teams' computers and decide based on that.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:48 am to UltimateHog
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Step 3. Actually spend some money this offseason instead of saying you are going to and never actually doing it.
Any time now we will be addressing that middle of the order bat... anytime...
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:49 am to lathoroughbred
This is how we have always worked. Front office gets together, discusses the players we need the most, then we go out and get the poor mans version of that exact player.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:50 am to TheXman
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I don't care what else happens, I just need this to happen
A large portion of my love for the cardinals died the day they handed the reigns to MM.
I understand it took a while for some of you to come around to it, but you don't give a team coming off a world series to a guy who has never done the job, period. That team succeeded, despite MM, for the next several years, and under another manager could have hung some more banners. The fact the organization wanted their boy in the spot so much that they really hindered the team as a whole was staggering
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:57 am to TennesseeFan25
If you expect MM to be fired, you will be very unhappy.
BDW said this week, that he thinks MM is a great, strategic Manager. I had to stop the vehicle, or crash because i could not stop laughing. The last thing MM is, is strategic.
BDW is clueless, and is allowing Mo to shite on everything that Jocketty,Luhnow, and Larussa built.
The worst, was that they gave Mo a new position, because Mo's agent floated rumors of teams being interested in him as their new GM/President. So now he gets an office position and continues to put his stamp on this flawed roster and team.
BDW said this week, that he thinks MM is a great, strategic Manager. I had to stop the vehicle, or crash because i could not stop laughing. The last thing MM is, is strategic.
BDW is clueless, and is allowing Mo to shite on everything that Jocketty,Luhnow, and Larussa built.
The worst, was that they gave Mo a new position, because Mo's agent floated rumors of teams being interested in him as their new GM/President. So now he gets an office position and continues to put his stamp on this flawed roster and team.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:07 am to SeeeeK
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BDW is clueless, and is allowing Mo to shite on everything that Jocketty,Luhnow, and Larussa built.
I don't blame Bill Dewitt. He has taken the Cardinals to a great place. I think it's more on Mozeliak.
If they continue to be average (at best), the best thing people can do is stay home. They will take notice if in August and September there are 10,000 empty seats every night.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:32 am to TheXman
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If they continue to be average (at best), the best thing people can do is stay home. They will take notice if in August and September there are 10,000 empty seats every night.
Problem is, they won't.
People love the team, and will go regardless. And all they have to do is put game day tickets at low prices, and people will gobble them up and spend a fortune at the concession stands.
If you can get the fan base to come together and demand changes, then, you will see BDW make moves. He's making $$$ hand over fist, and his team is still in the hunt(lolol), so all good for him. And in his interview he put a lot of blame on the players, not the poorly put together roster that Mo put together.
All we heard is that Defense is #1 priority for 2017/18 season. And yet they did nothing, but made it worse. Fowler was never a good defensive CF.
It's a mess
But, Dejong,Voit,and Sierra have been a breath of fresh air.
Sierra comes up from AA, and hits. only 49 at bats, but he's still hitting .417 in MLB plate appearances.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 11:36 am
Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:57 am to SeeeeK
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All we heard is that Defense is #1 priority for 2017/18 season. And yet they did nothing, but made it worse. Fowler was never a good defensive CF.
What a joke that was. Simply put, the best team is not out there. If they actually wanted to win, Fowler would be playing left field with Sierra in center and Pham in right.
Carson Kelly would also be on the team. Also Oh would have been released and Luke Weaver would get a shot at a bullpen role (or Wainwright's spot).
Also I am so tired of seeing Matt Carpenter at 2nd base (like today). He has absolutely no range but Matheny keeps putting him there. Shocker
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:32 pm to TheXman
Carpenter at 2nd got so bad last year, that Mo had to spank MM to make the insanity stop.
Mo has had to deal 3 players in MM reign, because he refused to stop playing them, while they did nothing for months.
MM played Moss every game, and guy had 1 hit in a month. Allen Craig, he had to deal him to stop MM from playing him. John Jay, he had to stop MM madness with jay playing every night.
If your FOM(friend of Mike), you have it made, regardless of how bad you struggle.
Mo has had to deal 3 players in MM reign, because he refused to stop playing them, while they did nothing for months.
MM played Moss every game, and guy had 1 hit in a month. Allen Craig, he had to deal him to stop MM from playing him. John Jay, he had to stop MM madness with jay playing every night.
If your FOM(friend of Mike), you have it made, regardless of how bad you struggle.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:47 pm to SeeeeK
Also, if Pham isn't asking to be out of the lineup, he plays every night.
And some one needs to pound this into MM head.
He also should be hitting 3rd, he's the best suited for it.
And some one needs to pound this into MM head.
He also should be hitting 3rd, he's the best suited for it.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 1:42 pm to nicholastiger
Ravech is best in the studio, but ESPN axed Baseball Tonight, so no spot for him there. All Kurkjian ever talks about are boring stats no one cares about. I was hoping he was one of the layoffs, but he survived.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 1:47 pm to UltimateHog
They did spend money last year. Unfortunately, both players haven't made much of an impact. They offered Price $200M the year before. Leake will be hard to trade with his contract. Grichuk has little trade value. I hope Matheny is fired too, but I doubt it happens.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 1:47 pm to lathoroughbred
As a Braves fan, a rebuild is brutal. It is not like having a bad season in football. You just play 12 games. A 2-3 year process can be a shitty 500 games. It can break you.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 1:56 pm to TennesseeFan25
Brenly never managed when the Diamondbacks hired him. He won a World Series his first year. And beat the defending champs doing it.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:01 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
The Cardinals find a new way to lose daily. That is 100% on Matheny.
To answer the original question, they should trade Rosenthal, Lynn, etc if they can get anyone.
I'd trade anyone but Martinez.
To answer the original question, they should trade Rosenthal, Lynn, etc if they can get anyone.
I'd trade anyone but Martinez.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:04 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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Brenly never managed when the Diamondbacks hired him. He won a World Series his first year. And beat the defending champs doing it.
Ok, MM nearly won the WS in his first year, does that make him a good manager, or the one that should be leading this team? Or is it possibly a result of the players being able to produce at a level that his negatives were still overcome.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:13 pm to TennesseeFan25
So who would you of hired? It took LaRussa a decade and numerous playoff appearances before he finally won. And he's always accused of "overmanaging".
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:17 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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So who would you of hired? It took LaRussa a decade and numerous playoff appearances before he finally won. And he's always accused of "overmanaging".
You can not seriously be arguing that Mike Matheny was a good choice
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:19 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Actually, it was either Mike Matheny or Tito Francona.
But BDW went cheap arse, and went with cheap option. When Cardinals were floundering to end the 2011 season, Ownership told Joe Strauss(RIP) that they did not feel paying a manager 5+mil was a smart move(being cheap).
And because of it, they hired MM, and Francona went on to Cleveland.
But BDW went cheap arse, and went with cheap option. When Cardinals were floundering to end the 2011 season, Ownership told Joe Strauss(RIP) that they did not feel paying a manager 5+mil was a smart move(being cheap).
And because of it, they hired MM, and Francona went on to Cleveland.
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