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re: So, Cardinals fans, here 11 games into the season
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:04 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:04 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
I thought Heyward was making 13.3 this year? Just glanced at a site so could be wrong.
As for the rest, Holliday only has a club option, his production has ready begun to dip, there is little chance the Cardinals pick up his 2017 option at that price and 37 years old. Heyward will replace his contract and never hit the market if the Cardinals so choose.
As for the rest, Holliday only has a club option, his production has ready begun to dip, there is little chance the Cardinals pick up his 2017 option at that price and 37 years old. Heyward will replace his contract and never hit the market if the Cardinals so choose.
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Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:10 am to sicboy
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BUT, what he's producing now isn't what he was brought in for
Right, same goes for Wong or especially Adams. You're too focused on Heyward being a masher right now when it's Adams that needs to be the masher for this team. We got where we got last postseason because Adams and Wong started mashing. Heyward needs to be like Holliday, line drive hitter, some power obviously like Matt, but gaps mainly. But that's a different topic for a different thread.
This thread is pointless until about July anyways.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:10 am to crimsonian
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he just throws so many fricking pitches.
like i said, he won't listen. and he thinks he can throw his fastball by people.
it was so bad in AA, that the Cardinals had the catcher call all curves to start the game, he shook them all off and threw fastballs. Thus pop got called and a meeting between GM, Daddy, and Miller.
Also, last year, there were times where the Cardinals had 3-4 of their starters only go 5-6 innings. It was fricking brutal on the pen.
No one here has said Miller sucks, but until he realizes he's not going to blow people away, and uses his curve and other pitches, hell be a bullpen killer.
No ill will to him, he's a solid #3, good #4. One day he'll open his ears and become the pitcher he has the talent to be.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:11 am to UltimateHog
I just checked rotoworld and it said 7.8 and it is 8.8 on ESPN. I agree about Holliday and it becomes even less likely that the option is guaranteed when you consider that the last time he finished top 10 in MVP voting was 2007. I was just throwing out that "technically" his contract could become guaranteed even though it is unlikely to occur.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:16 am to UltimateHog
Holliday actually needs to be a power hitter. I'm sorry, the guy infuriates me with his endless line of singles. Holliday, Adams, Peralta, and Heyward all need to be that presence. KW would be bonus.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:23 am to sicboy
Holliday has hit 22 or less HR's 3 of the last 4 years and is 35 now, I don't think that expectation is fair to him or realistic anymore. Our power needs to be Adams and then Peralta, with Holliday and Heyward beheind them providing 15-20. That is reasonable and well within reach for both.
Wong just needs to produce, not necessarily power although he does have some we've seen, but getting on base working counts and using his speed. Same for Jay, no power but will hit at or near .300 and that's just fine.
Wong just needs to produce, not necessarily power although he does have some we've seen, but getting on base working counts and using his speed. Same for Jay, no power but will hit at or near .300 and that's just fine.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:26 am to tduecen
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the McCann deal was decent at the time (5 years 85m)
It is still a good deal today IMO. Russell Martin's deal with the Jays is (5 years 82 m) and he is a year older than McCann.
Beltran still has some pop when he can stay in the lineup but the fact that Arod is strictly a DH now isn't going to do his knees any favors. The weirdest part about Beltran's production last season was the fact that his AVG and OBP were the lowest of his career despite the fact that he actually increased his BB/K% from 2013. I still think he can hit .250 -.260 with 20 home runs if he can manage to stay relatively healthy.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:28 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
ARod is playing 3B, 1B, and DH so Beltran will get I guess 50 games as a DH. Hell if Didi struggles the Yanks my try ARod back at SS for a game or two as well.
I don't think the Yankees would make a play for Heyward, mainly because of Gardner and Ellsbury in the OF already. Plus the Yankees have Beltran and Judge should see action this September
Yankees spend money this summer on Jordan Zimmerman and Johnny Cuerto
I don't think the Yankees would make a play for Heyward, mainly because of Gardner and Ellsbury in the OF already. Plus the Yankees have Beltran and Judge should see action this September
Yankees spend money this summer on Jordan Zimmerman and Johnny Cuerto
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 10:36 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:53 am to tduecen
I think Cueto would be a great fit even if you factor in his injury history. Zimmerman is a good pitcher too, but not as good as Cueto IMO.
That future rotation would be pretty filthy
1. Tanaka
2. Cueto
3. Pineda
4. Eovaldi
5. Sabathia
Judge is definitely an interesting prospect, I didn't know how far along he was in terms of development. If he continues to progress this season is he likely to break camp in 2016 or be an in season call up?
That future rotation would be pretty filthy
1. Tanaka
2. Cueto
3. Pineda
4. Eovaldi
5. Sabathia
Judge is definitely an interesting prospect, I didn't know how far along he was in terms of development. If he continues to progress this season is he likely to break camp in 2016 or be an in season call up?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:59 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
Really depends on how he does this year, if he blows it up in the minors this year I could see the Yankees giving him some time late in the year. Then going into spring training with him as a chance to earn the starting gig.
The FA class has several players who could be 1/2 year stop gaps till he is ready as well such as, Shane Victorino, Alex Rios, Denard Span, Colby Rasmus, Austin Jackson, Ben Zorbrist, Drew Stubbs, will venable, Chris Young (who Yankees have currently) Nolan Reimond, Grady Sizemore
players who could be signed short term and not cost 15m+
Cardinals could be in an interesting position next year....
Assuming they lose out on Heyward to a team willing to pay more, do you bring Holiday back at 17m a year.... I think they let him walk at that price honestly.
Then you have a 34 year old SS (turns 33 in May) a 33/34 year old catcher with a good bit of wear and tear, and Lackey retiring. Also, wainwright what do you expect from him, his K rate is down early this year and he has averaged 209 innings a year for the past 7 years. Slide into the #2/3 role behind Martinez/Lynn/wacha?
The FA class has several players who could be 1/2 year stop gaps till he is ready as well such as, Shane Victorino, Alex Rios, Denard Span, Colby Rasmus, Austin Jackson, Ben Zorbrist, Drew Stubbs, will venable, Chris Young (who Yankees have currently) Nolan Reimond, Grady Sizemore
players who could be signed short term and not cost 15m+
Cardinals could be in an interesting position next year....
Assuming they lose out on Heyward to a team willing to pay more, do you bring Holiday back at 17m a year.... I think they let him walk at that price honestly.
Then you have a 34 year old SS (turns 33 in May) a 33/34 year old catcher with a good bit of wear and tear, and Lackey retiring. Also, wainwright what do you expect from him, his K rate is down early this year and he has averaged 209 innings a year for the past 7 years. Slide into the #2/3 role behind Martinez/Lynn/wacha?
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:13 am to beatbammer
Heyward's swing sucks and he stands too far off the plate (memories of getting drilled in the jaw?).
His defense has been fine, but has not dispelled the notion that its statistical significance is overrated.
I still think it was a good trade, but am growing less sanguine about the idea of extending him for huge money.
Seems like a cool dude (I had no idea his parents both went to Dartmouth), but that swing is going to have him beating balls into the ground all season, and I don't expect Mabry to fix it.
His defense has been fine, but has not dispelled the notion that its statistical significance is overrated.
I still think it was a good trade, but am growing less sanguine about the idea of extending him for huge money.
Seems like a cool dude (I had no idea his parents both went to Dartmouth), but that swing is going to have him beating balls into the ground all season, and I don't expect Mabry to fix it.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:15 am to TH03
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he's killing our bullpen by making them throw 4 innings every 5th day.
The horror!
How can those professional athletes possibly cope with such demands?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:16 am to Speedy G
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I don't expect Mabry to fix it.
Still don't get why this guy has a job.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:20 am to sicboy
I think hitting coaches get too much credit/blame, but it seems like the Cards, since they hired Mabry, go out of their way to trim power.
If anyone noticed, Grichuk has a new swing. It's much shorter with a flat bat and low back elbow. He'll make more contact at the expense of power.
If anyone noticed, Grichuk has a new swing. It's much shorter with a flat bat and low back elbow. He'll make more contact at the expense of power.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:29 am to sicboy
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I don't expect Mabry to fix it.
Still don't get why this guy has a job.
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Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:52 am to RandySavage
I don't have any hatred towards Heyward, but yeah, I don't want to see him having any MVP seasons. Maybe I'm in the minority but there are very few ex-Braves that I root for once they're on another team. McCann is the exception, and even then it's hard because he's a damn Yankee.
From all accounts I've read, the Braves offered him a Freddie like deal. He turned it down. More power to him for trying for top dollar but I don't have to like it. Regardless, he'll still command $15 million + per year because some GM will think his above average (insert peripheral stat of choice here) will make him look like a genius. So it's not like I'm wishing him to go broke and live on the street for the rest of his life. He's already made more money than any of us will ever dream of making. So I can smile with each weak ground out to 2nd base and not feel bad about it.
From all accounts I've read, the Braves offered him a Freddie like deal. He turned it down. More power to him for trying for top dollar but I don't have to like it. Regardless, he'll still command $15 million + per year because some GM will think his above average (insert peripheral stat of choice here) will make him look like a genius. So it's not like I'm wishing him to go broke and live on the street for the rest of his life. He's already made more money than any of us will ever dream of making. So I can smile with each weak ground out to 2nd base and not feel bad about it.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 12:40 pm to crimsonian
What's he being paid? Unless you're talking future ofc, while still applying an 11 game sample to determine his future
Posted on 4/20/15 at 12:42 pm to stlslick
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If heyward ever does get hot
Posted on 4/20/15 at 4:53 pm to UltimateHog
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Still hilarious to see what some people say 11 games into a 162 game season.
Cards fans were in here crowing after the first GAME of the season when Heyward went 3 for 5 with 2 doubles.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 11:53 pm to beatbammer
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This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 11:55 pm
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