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re: SIAP: In 1971 Paterno told victim to drop rape claim vs Sandusky
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:35 pm to sms151t
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:35 pm to sms151t
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They had no business in this case.
This was a legal case
Does my employer have no business in disciplining me if I get a DUI? I didn't gain a competitive advantage by driving drunk. It's purely just an illegal thing.
Eta: yes I know it's not apples to apples, but it's not too attenuated
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 10:35 pm
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Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:36 pm to lsu2006
Your employer does but not your industry
His employer was not the NCAA.
So should LSU went on probation when Cecil Collins was walking around girls houses uninvited? No they should not have as it was a legal issue, not a NCAA issue
His employer was not the NCAA.
So should LSU went on probation when Cecil Collins was walking around girls houses uninvited? No they should not have as it was a legal issue, not a NCAA issue
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:37 pm to lsu2006
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Does my employer have no business in disciplining me if I get a DUI?
Without a morality clause or other policy specifically spelled out in your contract, I would say theoretically no as long as it doesn't impact your work.
It's irrelevant though seeing as the NCAA wasn't his employer, PENN STATE WAS.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:38 pm to sms151t
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So should LSU went on probation when Cecil Collins was walking around girls houses uninvited?
If they knew about it and did nothing at all to stop it or punish him, sure. But I'm pretty sure he was dismissed.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:39 pm to lsu2006
Like the death penalty deterred schools from paying players under the table.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It's irrelevant though seeing as the NCAA wasn't his employer, PENN STATE WAS.
Right, like I said, it's not apples to apples. But the NCAA has control over its member institutions and those institutions have control over their employees.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:40 pm to sms151t
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So should LSU went on probation when Cecil Collins was walking around girls houses uninvited?
I don't recall LSU not punishing Collins and allowing him to remain on the football team.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:41 pm to lsu2006
And Sandusky was dismissed from his position on the football team.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:42 pm to sms151t
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The NCAA has no business delegate punishments for legal issues that provided no advantages. There was no academic fraud, payment of players, or recruiting violations. That is not their job.
Actually, this is probably my only point of agreement with you. The NCAA isn't the appropriate venue for what happened.
The level of documented corruption and fear in State College goes way beyond sports.
Penn State should have been told to dismantle its athletic department or lose its accreditation.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:44 pm to sms151t
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And Sandusky was dismissed from his position on the football team.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:44 pm to sms151t
"Dismissed" after how many years? And still carried off the field like a hero. And still allowed tenure and access to football facilities...
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:45 pm to MikeyFL
The accreditation I agree with but that's not under the NCAA we have seen schools lose or get their academic accreditation be removed. I wouldn't had issue of the state government said strip some funding to punish them.
Yes they had a case to lose it by providing an unsafe environment based on what Sandusky was allowed to do by Penn State University.
Yes they had a case to lose it by providing an unsafe environment based on what Sandusky was allowed to do by Penn State University.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:46 pm to nvasil1
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So continuing to employ a proven great defensive coordinator gives no competitive advantage?
It doesn't matter if he's a shitty coach or the GOAT coach, a coach on the staff that coached and recruited well within the rules of the game is just that. He can either do a shitty job that's legal and fair or he can a fantastic job that is legal and fair.
It doesn't matter as the job is done within the rules of the NCAA and there is no competitive advantage that was gained illegally and unfairly.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:47 pm to nvasil1
And that was not Paterno who gave him tenure. It was the school, AD, and President.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:48 pm to sms151t
quote:had they known he was doing it and covered it up so they could keep on the field ?
So should LSU went on probation when Cecil Collins was walking around girls houses uninvited?
Yes
Paterno had reason to believe or at a minimum suspect that Sandusky was molesting children and did nothing to stop it in order that he...
A keep his D coordinator
B protect his job
how is that not a effort to protect a perceived competitive advantage
what SHOULD happen is that Penn State shut down the football program out of shame
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:05 pm to sms151t
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And that was not Paterno who gave him tenure. It was the school, AD, and President.
Um, so...? Think he gets tenure if Paterno (or anyone else) tells them Sandusky might be a pedo?
In other words, Sandusky was protected for the sake of football. Oh, hey NCAA...
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:08 pm to nvasil1
Paterno could not grant tenure and tenure was granted after he was released from his job as DC.
That was given by the AD President and school.
What's so hard for you to get?
They have now changed things where they can remove tenure.
That was given by the AD President and school.
What's so hard for you to get?
They have now changed things where they can remove tenure.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:15 pm to lsu2006
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This. They can point to a dearth of specific regulations in their made-up rules about an infraction of this kind all they want. There's no excuse for Penn State not having received the death penalty. None. If there ever is a program that should be made an example of, it's Penn State.
Cannot agree more with this. frick them. The school, alumni base, and larger community needs to be brought to its collective knees and have its most important symbol destroyed.
The fact that they aren't is Kafkaesque, or maybe almost like something out of Chinatown.
Again, frick them.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:16 pm to Sentrius
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It doesn't matter as the job is done within the rules of the NCAA and there is no competitive advantage that was gained illegally and unfairly.
So shielding a legendary defensive coordinator who happens to be a pedophile from legal action isn't an illegal means to gain a competitive advantage? Just so we're clear...
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:20 pm to sms151t
I know Paterno couldn't grant tenure. I never said he could. Not sure your point there.
If you read my posts, I've basically stated why I think the NCAA had every right to slam the football program like they did.
What's so hard for you to get?
If you read my posts, I've basically stated why I think the NCAA had every right to slam the football program like they did.
What's so hard for you to get?
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