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Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:49 am to lsupride87
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Honestly, the fact he is team USAs coach shows he is a lip service phony. At least Kap was willingly to truly beleive in what he did and basically lose his career over it
I think this gets lost in all of the shuffle. I didn't condone the protest, but at least he had the cojones to stick with it even if it kept him out of football. There is something to be said for that kind of commitment to a cause.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:12 am to sms151t
Pop needs to geaux. Get that old senile man out of here. We don't want him representing our country.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:34 am to lsupride87
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Honestly, the fact he is team USAs coach shows he is a lip service phony. At least Kap was willingly to truly beleive in what he did and basically lose his career over it
This makes no sense. Just b/c he hasn't been removed as coach of Team USA doesn't mean he doesn't believe what he said. He's been on this for a while now. This isn't some new tangent from him.
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Pop says he is "embarrassed of the USA", yet is willing to represent it in international play?
Being embarrassed by a certain aspect of something doesn't mean you hate the entire thing. It simply means you wish that aspect was different.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:40 am to Dr RC
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Being embarrassed by a certain aspect of something doesn't mean you hate the entire thing. It simply means you wish that aspect was different.
take your logic elsewhere. thanks
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:40 am to Dr RC
Go away anti-USA pop!
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:52 am to rocket31
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take your logic elsewhere. thanks
What was his exact quote anyway? Did he say I'm embarrassed by the political landscape in the USA or to that effect or did he just say I'm embarrassed by the USA?
There is a difference and if some are going to be held responsible for every word out of their mouth regardless of true intent then everyone should held responsible-
or at least those those with a microphone in front of their mouth.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:56 am to Dr RC
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Being embarrassed by a certain aspect of something doesn't mean you hate the entire thing. It simply means you wish that aspect was different.
Yeah, I mean, I'm embarrassed by my parents or my wife at times, but I shouldn't be required to disown them.
That being said, I'd like to know more about what Pop does to quell the shortfalls he believes exist. That would dictate whether it's lip service or he's putting his time/money where his mouth is.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:01 am to slackster
Piggi here is the quote
"Our country is an embarrassment to the world,"
He goes on to discuss Trump and race in the same interview. I just do not see how he can escape that. I am fine with everything he said, but that one part.
"Our country is an embarrassment to the world,"
He goes on to discuss Trump and race in the same interview. I just do not see how he can escape that. I am fine with everything he said, but that one part.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:03 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:07 am to sms151t
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"Our country is an embarrassment to the world,"
Thank you, SMS.
That's pathetic and I see no justification for such a comment.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:08 am to piggilicious
Here are some more of his comments
"Obviously, race is the elephant in the room, and we all understand that. Unless it is talked about constantly, it's not going to get better. ... 'Oh, that again. They pulled the race card again. Why do we have to talk about that?' Well, because it's uncomfortable. There has to be an uncomfortable element in the discourse for anything to change, whether it's the LGBT community or women's suffrage, race, it doesn't matter. People have to be made to feel uncomfortable, and especially white people, because we're comfortable. We still have no clue of what being born white means. And if you read some of the recent literature, you realize there really is no such thing as whiteness. We kind of made it up. That's not my original thought, but it's true.
"It's hard to sit down and decide that, yes, it's like you're at the 50-meter mark in a 100-meter dash. You've got that kind of a lead, yes, because you were born white. You have advantages that are systemically, culturally, psychologically there. And they have been built up and cemented for hundreds of years. But many people can't look at it, it's too difficult. It can't be something that is on their plate on a daily basis. People want to hold their position, people want the status quo, people don't want to give that up. Until it's given up, it's not going to be fixed."
"Obviously, race is the elephant in the room, and we all understand that. Unless it is talked about constantly, it's not going to get better. ... 'Oh, that again. They pulled the race card again. Why do we have to talk about that?' Well, because it's uncomfortable. There has to be an uncomfortable element in the discourse for anything to change, whether it's the LGBT community or women's suffrage, race, it doesn't matter. People have to be made to feel uncomfortable, and especially white people, because we're comfortable. We still have no clue of what being born white means. And if you read some of the recent literature, you realize there really is no such thing as whiteness. We kind of made it up. That's not my original thought, but it's true.
"It's hard to sit down and decide that, yes, it's like you're at the 50-meter mark in a 100-meter dash. You've got that kind of a lead, yes, because you were born white. You have advantages that are systemically, culturally, psychologically there. And they have been built up and cemented for hundreds of years. But many people can't look at it, it's too difficult. It can't be something that is on their plate on a daily basis. People want to hold their position, people want the status quo, people don't want to give that up. Until it's given up, it's not going to be fixed."
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:12 am to sms151t
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And if you read some of the recent literature, you realize there really is no such thing as whiteness.
I didn't need a book to tell me that- he's making himself sound really slow with that one.
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Unless it is talked about constantly,
And I disagree with that way of thinking, I'm not saying turn a blind eye to things but what's left to discuss at this point? It's just one big circular conversation that never gets anywhere. Bring something new to the table and I'll listen.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:45 am to sms151t
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If he is "embarrassed" about the country, should he still represent the country?
Well, he embarrassed the country in 2004, so we're even.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:48 am to sms151t
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Piggi here is the quote
"Our country is an embarrassment to the world,"
He goes on to discuss Trump and race in the same interview. I just do not see how he can escape that. I am fine with everything he said, but that one part.
Ehh... that's little out of context IMO. He said that immediately after referring to Charlottesville while commenting on his disgust with Trump's behavior.
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There’s a lot involved in that when you say culture and politics and sports. People write books about that. I would hesitate to take that on as a whole. It makes more sense to me to be a bit more specific, and I’ll just tell you what we say to our team.
Each one of them has the right and ability to say what they would like to say, and act the way they’d like to act. They have our full support and no matter what they might want to do or not do is important to them, respected by us, and there’s no recrimination no matter what might take place, unless it’s ridiculous egregious. There’s a line for everything. But we do live in a difficult time and it doesn’t do a whole lot of good ...
We all know the situation and it gets beaten up every day by talking heads, it starts to get personal. I think we all know why, we all know who the source where a lot of the division comes from, but to dwell on that is sometimes I think is the wrong way to go, because it’s so obvious now. It’s boring. The childishness, the gratuitous fear mongering and race baiting, has been so consistent that it’s almost expected. The bar has been lowered so far that I think it’s more important to be thinking about what to do in more organic roots based level. Thinking about the efforts to restrict voter registration, comments that demean cultures, ethic groups, races, women. Those sorts of things. What can be done in an organic way to fight that?
We know how everything happens, we know where the power in the country is, we know the racism that exists. But it’s gone beyond that to a point where I’m more worried about, and confused by, the people around our president. These are intelligent people who know exactly what’s going on. They basically were very negative about his actions but now it seems like it’s condoned. We saw it this weekend with his comments about people who should be fired or people who shouldn’t be allowed to do this sort of thing. I wonder what the people think about who voted for him, where their line is, how much they can take, where does the morality and decency kick in?
I understand very well they didn’t like their choice, economically. A lot of people had a problem. And he was the right guy at the right time to tap into that mood. But people overlooked one helluva lot to pull that trigger and vote in that direction, but it was because they wanted change, they felt ignored, they actually thought something would happen that would aid them. But at what price, is the question.
And as we see the actions over and over again, one wonders what is in their head. Have they come to the conclusion that they had the wrong vehicle? They might have had good ideas, good reasons why they wanted to go the way they went. But someone else that had a little bit more decency about how they approach other people and other groups might have served better. That’s what I worry about in the country.
You wonder about if you live where you thought you live. I just heard a comment this morning from a NASCAR owner and Mr. Petty that just blew me away, just blew me away. Where the owner described that he would get the Greyhound bus tickets for anybody to leave, and they’d be fired, and Mr. Petty, who said people who act the way we saw Sunday, they should leave the country. That’s where I live. I had no idea that I lived in a country where people would actually say that sort of thing. I’m not totally naive but I think these people have been enabled by an example that we’ve all been given. You’ve seen it in Charlottesville, and on and on and on. That’s not a surprise. Get over it. What do we do to get it done. To go to the grassroots and not allow this to happen again.
Our country’s an embarrassment to the world. This is an individual who actually thought that when people held arms during the game, that they were doing it to honor the flag. That’s delusional. Absolutely delusional. But it’s what we have to live with.
So we have a choice. We can continue to bounce our heads off the wall with his conduct, or we can decide that the institutions of our country are more important, that people are more important, that the decent America that we all thought we had and want is more important, and get down to business at a grassroots level and do what we have to do.
I guess that’s enough for now.
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This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:57 am to Dr RC
Doc you know I am a Pop fan but once he went and called the USA an embarrassment he can not escape that. We have seen politicians, businessmen, and many other powerful people get fired for less in quotes. I know he has every right to say it and has every right to believe it. I just wonder if say Saban, Garrett, Leland, or Meyer had said this? Would there be as much support? I doubt it, there would be people screaming for their heads in the media.
Let's say those who I mentioned said that when Obama was and if Clinton was elected? What is the outcry then?
Let's say those who I mentioned said that when Obama was and if Clinton was elected? What is the outcry then?
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:00 am to sms151t
Saban nor Meyer would be fired.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:02 am to JBeam
If they were coaching a Team USA? Bad examples, probably. So take them off and put in Self and Lasorda. Using guys who have coached Team USA at some level.
None of the guys I have mentioned would get fired from primary job, but Team USA, is completely different.
None of the guys I have mentioned would get fired from primary job, but Team USA, is completely different.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 11:05 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:02 am to lsupride87
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Honestly, the fact he is team USAs coach shows he is a lip service phony. At least Kap was willingly to truly beleive in what he did and basically lose his career over it
Was he though? I don't think Kap Knew the impact of what he did had on his career. Otherwise, he wouldn't have opted out of his contract with the 49ers this year, and I also believe I read something about him saying (before all this happened this year) that he would stand for the National Anthem this year. Which tells me he was backing down in order to get resigned.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 11:03 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:06 am to Hazelnut
quote:He opted out of his contract because the Shannon/Lynch era would have released him.
I don't think Kap Knew the impact of what he did had on his career. Otherwise, he wouldn't have opted out of his contract with the 49ers this year,
quote:He said once this got national attention that this was a one year protest.
I also believe I read something about him saying (before all this happened this year) that he would stand for the National Anthem this year. Which tells me he was backing down in order to get resigned.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:18 am to sms151t
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Doc you know I am a Pop fan but once he went and called the USA an embarrassment he can not escape that.
If you ignore the context of what he was talking about, sure. But it's not like he just randomly blurted out "frick this country mate!" He said that as part of a much larger point. Boiling it down to just that one comment is feeding into the no nuance, no context, click bait, hot take how much RAGE can we induce for clicks mentality and I reject that.
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Let's say those who I mentioned said that when Obama was and if Clinton was elected? What is the outcry then?
I don't seem to recall Obama acting like a child on Twitter and saying people should be fired b/c of their political stances. I doubt Clinton would have done that either. (I'm no Clinton fan either)
Again, he was talking about Trump's behavior and instances like Charlottesville.
That stuff straight up is an embarrassment.
I don't see what's wrong with saying what he said and I don't care if some other person got fired for less. I also don't care if some other people don't have the built up equity to say what he said w/o reprisal.
Bottom line, he should still be coach of Team USA as long as he wants to be or until a better coach can be found.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 11:22 am
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