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re: Should 11-1 Miss St be in the playoffs if Bama wins the SECW/SEC?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:13 pm to Buckeye06
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:13 pm to Buckeye06
quote:Yes. That's MSU with Alabama and Ole Miss bumping MSU's SOS back into the stratosphere. Bulldogs may have the #1 schedule in the country at that point (either them, Auburn, or Ole Miss), and Ohio State's SOS will be nowhere near it. The emphasis on conference championships is obviously under the assumption that you've got two schools neck and neck, and one of them has a conference title, and the other does not. MSU and OSU will not be neck and neck no matter what happens. Brutus needs help.
So you think, as of today, that an 11-1 MSU goes over a 12-1 OSU?
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:15 pm to Buckeye06
quote:This is wishful thinking, but it's a lot more realistic than when I had to argue on this board with Buckeye fans who think that SOS shouldn't count at all.
That's fair. I disagree because I think the committee will have pressure to have demographics represented.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:37 pm to slackster
Nope. Mulligans only apply to Alabama and no one else.
Guessing I will see Bug Eyes when I watch the game on Saturday.
Guessing I will see Bug Eyes when I watch the game on Saturday.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:40 pm to ballscaster
quote:
This is wishful thinking, but it's a lot more realistic than when I had to argue on this board with Buckeye fans who think that SOS shouldn't count at all.
That may well have been me arguing about how it's not OSU's fault the B1G is so awful. It probably was. I am more confused about why the Big 12 may be getting a pass (run those numbers I'm curious because to me the Big 12 just ran with the "we have 6 teams ranked in week 6" before they started playing each other")
I think they will try and have 4 conference champs if possible. That is the assumption i have always had. I think they take MSU (in this scenario) only if there are multiple 2 loss champs.
And, I will go on record as saying I think OSU at 1 loss goes ahead of a 1 loss TCU or Baylor. When there is money involved, I just can't see them leaving out a cash cow, when they can easily take them without much backlash. I will eat crow if I'm wrong for sure, but I can't understand the business decision if they do. If they can truly separate business from what is right, kudos to them
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:40 pm to slackster
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Should 11-1 Miss St be in the playoffs if Bama wins the SECW/SEC?
Yes, if Miss State finishes 11-1 but loses the tiebreaker to Bama then they should still be in the playoff.
How the game goes might have an effect though, if they get killed by Bama at home then they have less of a case.
Just because they should though, doesn't mean they will. I think they would need help.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:00 pm to Buckeye06
quote:Right. Useless argument. That's Ohio State's problem and no one else's. It isn't OSU's fault that the B1G is so awful, but it is OSU's fault that it can't beat Virginia Tech. Like it or not, with a schedule as weak as OSU's, OSU has to be undefeated to rest easy. Want a mulligan? Find a way to put better teams on the schedule. It isn't the rest of the world's job to make sure that happens for you. I can't believe you're still Boise Stating in this argument.
not OSU's fault the B1G is so awful.
quote:The Big Ten gets the same exact pass every single year, and I post about it every year except this year. Let me explain:
I am more confused about why the Big 12 may be getting a pass (run those numbers I'm curious because to me the Big 12 just ran with the "we have 6 teams ranked in week 6" before they started playing each other")
The Big 12 and Big Ten have OOC schedules that are almost exclusively in September. Being that a Power Five's OOC is inevitably weaker, pound for pound, than their conference schedule, these two conference always look good by the end of September since the majority of them are undefeated. National sports media always jumps on it and says "This may be the year that the SEC is no longer the premier conference." Meanwhile, the SEC's conference schedule is relatively evenly distributed throughout the season, resulting in more losses for SEC teams early on.
This predictable rhetoric didn't occur this year since the Big Ten lost an abnormally high 14 OOC games.
All that said, your idea that the Big 12 is getting a pass is purely your imagination. Look at the chart below:
School - Winning % - SOS using old BCS formula
1 Mississippi State 1.000 .591
2 Oregon .889 .600
3 Florida State 1.000 .540
4 TCU .875 .568
5 Alabama .889 .578
6 Arizona State .875 .588
7 Baylor .875 .480
8 Ohio State .889 .523
9 Auburn .778 .650
10 Ole Miss .778 .652
Everyone ranked ahead of Ohio State has equal or fewer losses and a tougher schedule...with Baylor being the only exception. So why would Baylor be ranked ahead? Obviously that quality win over the #4 team, which is significantly better than anything Ohio State has done or will do, matters.
Whether you like it or not, Ohio State is being treated perfectly fairly, and if you're confused about any of this, it's a result of ignorance. The information is right there for you.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:10 pm to ballscaster
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The Big 12 and Big Ten have OOC schedules that are almost exclusively in September. Being that a Power Five's OOC is inevitably weaker, pound for pound, than their conference schedule, these two conference always look good by the end of September since the majority of them are undefeated. National sports media always jumps on it and says "This may be the year that the SEC is no longer the premier conference." Meanwhile, the SEC's conference schedule is relatively evenly distributed throughout the season, resulting in more losses for SEC teams early on.
I always thought this hurt the B1G as once it got into conference play, they had less by weeks. Ole Miss/Miss. St. basically had an additional bye week last week, since the SEC has non-conference games throughout the schedule.
I understand the information, but I just hadn't done the math myself. I would expect Baylor's SOS to go up, TCU's to go down, and OSU's to maybe stay the course or have a slight uptick with Minny and a B1G W rep, but stay close to as is
Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:38 pm to Buckeye06
While we were indirectly talking about Baylor: I have them ranked right beneath Ohio State myself. I'm fine with the idea of a quality win popping you a spot or two ahead of someone when you have a slightly weaker schedule, but Baylor's schedule is significantly weaker than those of their peers.
I can understand someone saying that Baylor should be ranked ahead of TCU (same record, head-to-head makes perfect sense), but the problem with that is that if Baylor is ranked ahead of TCU, then Baylor is also ranked ahead of Alabama and Arizona State, and I'll go on record and say that that would be unreasonable, all things considered.
The current rankings reflect a forced answer to a circular argument. Here's what I mean:
1. "Baylor should be ranked ahead of TCU since they have the same number of losses and Baylor beat TCU."
2. "TCU should be ranked ahead of Alabama and Arizona State since they have the same number of losses and TCU has a tougher schedule than the other two at this point. Not to mention, TCU lost in a nail-biter on the road against a great team."
3. "Alabama and Arizona State should be ranked ahead of Baylor since they all have the same record and the former two have significantly tougher schedules than the latter one."
All three statements above make perfect sense, and to oppose a single one of them in a vacuum would be asinine. And that's how inconvenient a small sample size can be--in order to achieve our desired result (a ranking, #1 thru #25), we absolutely have to defy at least one of the three seemingly impenetrable arguments and deal with the entire country calling us idiots.
The committee chose to defy #1. Why? Who knows?
I can understand someone saying that Baylor should be ranked ahead of TCU (same record, head-to-head makes perfect sense), but the problem with that is that if Baylor is ranked ahead of TCU, then Baylor is also ranked ahead of Alabama and Arizona State, and I'll go on record and say that that would be unreasonable, all things considered.
The current rankings reflect a forced answer to a circular argument. Here's what I mean:
1. "Baylor should be ranked ahead of TCU since they have the same number of losses and Baylor beat TCU."
2. "TCU should be ranked ahead of Alabama and Arizona State since they have the same number of losses and TCU has a tougher schedule than the other two at this point. Not to mention, TCU lost in a nail-biter on the road against a great team."
3. "Alabama and Arizona State should be ranked ahead of Baylor since they all have the same record and the former two have significantly tougher schedules than the latter one."
All three statements above make perfect sense, and to oppose a single one of them in a vacuum would be asinine. And that's how inconvenient a small sample size can be--in order to achieve our desired result (a ranking, #1 thru #25), we absolutely have to defy at least one of the three seemingly impenetrable arguments and deal with the entire country calling us idiots.
The committee chose to defy #1. Why? Who knows?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:15 pm to slackster
Gonna be a moot point.
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