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re: Should 11-1 Miss St be in the playoffs if Bama wins the SECW/SEC?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:14 am to KosmoCramer
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:14 am to KosmoCramer
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And this has exactly what to do with advance metrics?
Are these the same advanced metrics that had FSU with the #1 SOS through the first seven weeks of the season?
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:14 am to Tornado Alley
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A Mississippi State loss to Alabama this weekend will put the Leghumpers around 7, or lower, depending on the severity of the loss.
at worst, MissSt will be ranked #4 if they lose to Bama and everything the committee has done to this point suggests as such. I HIGHLY doubt they will start switching their ranking criteria in the 4th week.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:14 am to rocket31
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Its just not feasible for the committee to value conference titles when there is an odd number to work with... so they wont.
The evidence is right in front of you, but it seems like youre choosing to ignore it
I don't understand how you are saying this as if it is fact when the committee hasn't made 1 final decision yet. If Miss. St. and OSU are the only teams left for the last spot, and OSU gets in, they are getting in because they are a conference champ. The committee was chosen, and decided on their metrics, well after it was decided the playoff would be 4 teams.
To me, the committee will take a non-champ if two of the conference champs have multiple losses, but will take a 1 loss conference champ in any conference over a 1 loss non-conference champ. We will see if I am right potentially this year. It may not come to that if TCU/Baylor/MSU/FSU/Oregon run the table from here on out
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:19 am to Buckeye06
quote:good luck with that...
footballoutsiders.com
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:20 am to Chicken
Can Ohio State fans give it up already? Stop. You guys should have lost at Penn State and that loss at home to Va Tech is unforgiveable. Yes they have picked it up considerably but they are not a top 4 team.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:21 am to Chicken
I think if someone is using the eye-test OSU is in. They have one of the most impressive wins of the year on the road.
If they are using resume, which they obviously are, OSU is out. Simple as that
I don't care what advanced stats say, I was just responding to the question posed earlier
If they are using resume, which they obviously are, OSU is out. Simple as that
I don't care what advanced stats say, I was just responding to the question posed earlier
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:21 am to Buckeye06
And LSU is #10 
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:21 am to Buckeye06
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I don't understand how you are saying this as if it is fact when the committee hasn't made 1 final decision yet
its mathematically impossible for the committee to value conference titles as highly as you are suggesting; we have 5 conferences and 4 spots. As such, they cannot rationalize their rankings by conference winners.
And you continue to ignore that point, so im not going to respond anymore.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:23 am to Buckeye06
Yes, that is the same metric that had FSU at #1 SOS through the first 7 weeks. 
LINK
The results aren't surprising since Urban is running up the score on the Big 10's little sisters. Those metrics claim Miami is the 12th best team, do you think that supports OSU's placement? The ACC has more teams in the top 15 of that metric...
LINK The results aren't surprising since Urban is running up the score on the Big 10's little sisters. Those metrics claim Miami is the 12th best team, do you think that supports OSU's placement? The ACC has more teams in the top 15 of that metric...
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:24 am to slackster
I don't think Ohio State and Baylor will pass Mississippi State. Mississippi State is going to end up with one of the three toughest schedules in the country. Ohio State has the #47 schedule with two opponents left who won't move the needle, followed by what looks to be Nebraska, a win over whom will move the needle, but only by a few degrees. Baylor has one of the weakest schedules in the Power Fives, but they have Kansas State left. Nevertheless, neither team will have a top 25 schedule when all is said and done. Every system will have Mississippi State ranked significantly ahead of OSU and BU.
Florida State, Oregon, Alabama, TCU, and Arizona State, if any of them finish with one or fewer losses, will all be ranked ahead of one-loss Mississippi State. Baylor and Ohio State will not. They need more help.
Florida State, Oregon, Alabama, TCU, and Arizona State, if any of them finish with one or fewer losses, will all be ranked ahead of one-loss Mississippi State. Baylor and Ohio State will not. They need more help.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:28 am to Boomtown
quote:A lot of metrics spat that out. FSU's opponents through September were a combined 13-3 when not playing FSU.
Yes, that is the same metric that had FSU at #1 SOS through the first 7 weeks. LINK
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:34 am to rocket31
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its mathematically impossible for the committee to value conference titles as highly as you are suggesting; we have 5 conferences and 4 spots. As such, they cannot rationalize their rankings by conference winners.
And you continue to ignore that point, so im not going to respond anymore.
You're spewing a lot of BS today. How is it impossible if there are 4 conference champs at 11-1 or 12-1, a conference champ at 11-2 and 2 non-champs at 11-1?
The committee could look at that and say, we will take all 4 conference champs, since we weigh that into our equation.
I am not debating that has to be thrown out when you are looking at 2 conference champs side by side.
When they are potentially debating an 11-1 MSU vs. a 11-1 TCU for example, conference title may come into it, and may give TCU an edge. I'm not saying it is the be all end all, but if could be 1 of the tie-break factors
How is this so hard for you to understand?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:37 am to Buckeye06
I'd bet anything on the committee treating a conference championship as a tie breaker. For example, in 2011 when Pokes and Tide were neck and neck, Pokes would have gone.
But a one loss Ohio State would probably be significantly behind not only a one-loss Mississippi State but also a one-loss TCU. Good luck winning brownie points with that committee.
But a one loss Ohio State would probably be significantly behind not only a one-loss Mississippi State but also a one-loss TCU. Good luck winning brownie points with that committee.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:39 am to ballscaster
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But a one loss Ohio State would probably be significantly behind not only a one-loss Mississippi State but also a one-loss TCU. Good luck winning brownie points with that committee.
So you think, as of today, that an 11-1 MSU goes over a 12-1 OSU?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:40 am to Buckeye06
quote:well, compare their schedules side by side, in order of best opponent to worst opponent
So you think, as of today, that an 11-1 MSU goes over a 12-1 OSU?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:44 am to Buckeye06
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So you think, as of today, that an 11-1 MSU goes over a 12-1 OSU?
It depends on a number of external factors.
But if FSU, Oregon, and Bama win out, and TCU/Baylor both suffer their 2nd loss, leading to the argument of 12-1 OSU and 11-1 MSU then yes I believe 11-1 MSU goes.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:46 am to Chicken
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well, compare their schedules side by side, in order of best opponent to worst opponent
I've already said I think before that Miss. St. has all the resume advantages over OSU and likely TCU/Baylor.
My argument is based on a metric the committee has admitted they will use, but have not been able to yet, which is the conference championship. If MSU is 11-1 as a non-division, much less a non-conference champ, does that still give them the nod
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:49 am to Boomtown
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It depends on a number of external factors.
But if FSU, Oregon, and Bama win out, and TCU/Baylor both suffer their 2nd loss, leading to the argument of 12-1 OSU and 11-1 MSU then yes I believe 11-1 MSU goes.
That's fair. I disagree because I think the committee will have pressure to have demographics represented. I could be 100% wrong, but I think it's hard to tell right now because we don't have conference champs figured out yet
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:03 pm to Boomtown
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But if FSU, Oregon, and Bama win out, and TCU/Baylor both suffer their 2nd loss, leading to the argument of 12-1 OSU and 11-1 MSU then yes I believe 11-1 MSU goes
A 12-1 conf champ OSU will get in before a 11-1 Miss st.
BUT a 12-1 Miss st. team that losses in the SEC cg to a two loss UGA [lets say]...Then it could get interesting.
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