re: Sean Payton &amp; Mike McCarthy. The two most overrated coaches to win Super Bowls

Posted by RedRifle

Austin/NO

Member since Dec 2013

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:59 am to rintintin

Belichik
Reid
Coughlin
Tomlin
Carroll

This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 8:09 am

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Posted by SpartyGator

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Member since Oct 2011

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:07 am to KCTigerFan212

quote:
I do agree on McCarthy, though. Rodgers is crazy good.

Huh? Even before Rodgers started, McCarthy got the Pack to an NFC Champ. game in his 2nd season. Hell, they were shite in 2005 with Sherman, but were better at 8-8 the next year, and then had a great year after that.

McCarthy is a very good coach.

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Posted by Dr. Shultz

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Member since Jun 2013

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:10 am to RedRifle

quote:
Belichik
Reid
Coughlin
Tomlin
Jeff fisher

Reid get's run out of Philly

Coughlin is on the hot seat every other year even though he has 2 super bowls

Tomlin..

Jeff Fisher..

Really?

JEFF FISHER?? When was the last time this cat won a playoff game?

This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 8:11 am

Posted by purpngold

Member since Jun 2006

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:32 am to RedRifle

quote:
The two most overrated coach is to win Super Bowls

What does that even mean?

Posted by Pettifogger

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:39 am to RedRifle

quote:
Belichik
Reid
Coughlin
Tomlin
Carroll
Fisher
Harbaugh
Harbaugh
Kelly
Arians
Fox
Pagano

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Posted by DelU249

Austria

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:40 am to RedRifle

You named one better

Posted by DelU249

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:42 am to DelU249

I rank them

BB
Who the frick cares

Posted by Zamoro10

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:57 am to lsutigers1992

quote:
1. Barry Switzer
2. Brian Billick
3. Don McCafferty
4. Mike Ditka
5. Mike Tomlin

Bullshite

Buddy Ryan gets all the love but before he was hired by Ditka...that team was garbage on both sides of the ball...

Ditka shaped, drafted and transformed that team two years before the BEARS 86 D.

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Posted by Seymour

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:01 am to RedRifle

McCarthy is handicapped by a mediocre (at best) GM. The Packers always sign overrated defensive players like Clay Mathews, AJ Hawk, and BJ Raji and have never given Rodgers an O line. It's like they're trying to build a fantasy football team.

Yes, he has a future HOFer in Rodgers, but if every coach that had a HOF QB was overrated then the vast majority would be considered as such.

Posted by Feral

Member since Mar 2012

12403 posts

Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:08 am to Seymour

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McCarthy is handicapped by a mediocre (at best) GM. The Packers always sign overrated defensive players like Clay Mathews, AJ Hawk, and BJ Raji and have never given Rodgers an O line. It's like they're trying to build a fantasy football team.

Yes, he has a future HOFer in Rodgers, but if every coach that had a HOF QB was overrated then the vast majority would be considered as such.

Thompson is one of the better GMs in the league. He drafted Rodgers, cut the cord with Favre at the right time, and completely built the team that won the 2010 Super Bowl.

People forget that during that 2010 Super Bowl run, the Packers lost like a third of their starters to injury at some point in the season but kept chugging along because they had a ton of depth from Thompson's drafting. That year they lost Al Harris before the season and went on to lose Nick Barnett, Brandon Chillar, Mark Tauscher, Brady Poppinga, Justin Harrell, Derrick Martin, Jermichael Finley, Mike Neal, Morgan Burnett, Spencer Havner, Brad Jones, and Josh Bell.

Posted by Seymour

Gulf Coast

Member since Sep 2013

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:29 am to Feral

I'll certainly give you that he played the Favre/Rodgers deal perfectly, but I truly believe that Rodgers is so good that he turns a decent team into contender, despite the lack of talent on the defense and o-line, which is Thompson's department

Posted by Fun Bunch

New Orleans

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Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:21 am to Seymour

Tom Coughlin is not a great coach. I think he is BARELY a good one. I really don't get the love at all.

He consistently has mediocre at best teams.

Posted by lsutigers1992

Member since Mar 2006

25317 posts

Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:10 am to Fun Bunch

Coughlin got Jacksonville into the AFC Championship in two seasons and kept them competitive for a while. He didn't pull a Carolina and have All-Pro veterans land in his lap. They actually built a real contender.

Posted by lsutigers1992

Member since Mar 2006

25317 posts

Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:13 am to Zamoro10

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Buddy Ryan gets all the love but before he was hired by Ditka...that team was garbage on both sides of the ball...

Ditka shaped, drafted and transformed that team two years before the BEARS 86 D.

Ditka inherited Payton, Gary Fencik and Dan Hampton, among others. I think Ditka and Ryan needed each other. You see what they did separately with crap when Ditka was in New Orleans and Buddy Ryan was in Arizona without a Hall of Fame defensive line.

Posted by Fun Bunch

New Orleans

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115736 posts

Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:19 am to lsutigers1992

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Coughlin got Jacksonville into the AFC Championship in two seasons and kept them competitive for a while. He didn't pull a Carolina and have All-Pro veterans land in his lap. They actually built a real contender.

8 years. 4 of them were losing seasons (3 of which after they "got good"). And one of those winning seasons was 9-7. So he went 4-12, 9-7, 11-5, 11-5, 14-2, 7-9,7-9, 6-10. Pretty damn mediocre.

In NYG he's gone: 6-10, 11-5, 8-8, 10-6, 12-4, 8-8, 10-6, 9-7, 9-7, 7-9.

I'm just not impressed by him. His teams DO overachieve in the Playoffs, which is obviously a sign of good coaching. He's a good postseason coach. Just not impressed with him as a consistent coach.

Posted by lsutigers1992

Member since Mar 2006

25317 posts

Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:29 am to Fun Bunch

Jacksonville played in a sick division. Tennessee at their peak, Baltimore with Ray Lewis, Bill Cowher's Steelers. Then they got moved to the South and got stuck with Peyton Manning's Colts.