re: Rumor: Houston Rockets seeing if there is a trade market for Ty Lawson

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Look at Lakers or the 6ers.. the Lakers have a better win % but are they a tougher opponent than the 6ers? Not necessarily

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But more often than not, a team with a better record is a better team, and therefore more difficult to beat.

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Just bc a team has a better win % doesn't mean that they are more difficult to win against

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More often than not it does, especially as the win % diff increases.

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Grade school common sense IMO.

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No it's quite the opposite in fact.

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A tougher SOS doesn't automatically mean tougher games to win

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Again. In general, a tougher SOS = tougher to win. In fact, unless there is some crazy match-up issue, I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be tougher.

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especially a SOS based off less than 1/4 of the season.

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You act like 1/4 season, especially when you're considering the entire league, is not a solid indicator of trends. It is in fact, enough to get accurate enough approximations to make hypotheses and predictions.

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Seahawks and falcons are both 6-5 guess that means the opponent has he same chance of beating either team.

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You're arguing single exceptions, and I didn't say that every team with same record is equal, just comparable. BUT when you are talking about a large sample, it becomes much more robust. You're making a statistically ignorant and fallacious argument.

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Nope. Sorry bro. And I didn't even introduce the possibility of injuries, days off between games, teams playing better or worse than their record at the time of the game

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This is noise though. A team's current record is an approximation of their "true record" with a standard error. Some are better some are worse, but when you aggregate what is essentially the mean of the mean, you get a pretty accurate approximation of the SOS.

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When HOU gets healthy and meshes they'll beat the .300 team 9 times of 10 and they'll beat the..350 team 9 times out of 10.

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Not only is this nonsensical conjecture, it shows a complete lack of understanding basic math, and in particular, probability.

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Whether or not the SOS is higher or lower doesn't impact the results

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Yes it does matter. You're just plain wrong.

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If A pro team plays one game against a HS TEAM and one game v a middle school team it doesn't matter that one team is better than the other

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Of course you can't compare the records at vastly different levels, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about teams at the same level, that all play each other. Even you're better than making such an irrelevant comparison.

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So the strength of schedule doesn't impact the results.

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Not in your example, but within a league and level it does. There is a reason that LSU lost more games at the end of the season; their SOS was significantly more difficult than the beginning of the season.

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In the real world nope.

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Prove this nonsense then.

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Show me with numbers how once in 10,000 times the middle school team will beat the pro team.

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This is a strawman argument. Nobody is talking about anything BUT the NBA.

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You don't have to jump in every thread and argue that middle school team has a chance to beat the pro team be use its not statistically impossible.

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Jeez maybe your hackery has no bounds.

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This is a casual conversation about sports and you jump in with BS like margin of error.

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So when discussing quantifiable outcomes, it's BS to discuss their quantifiable properties? Wow.

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I don't mind taking about stats bro but you take it past the point of enjoyment

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Well it was a very basic argument that playing teams with better records will naturally decrease in the probability of wins. It's a very simple argument, but you decided to ignorantly dismiss it and provide nothing but unsupported conjecture, such as your argument that they would win 9 out of 10 vs. a 0.300 AND a 0.350 team.

I prefer to fight ignorance with facts and logic, which in this case was rudimentary probability theory.

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This is a strawman argument. Nobody is talking about anything BUT the NBA.
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OK OK how about this.

HOU plays a team 10 times they beat 89% of the time and one team they beat 91% of the time. After 10 games explain to me how they don't beat each team 9 of 10 times?

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So when discussing quantifiable outcomes, it's BS to discuss their quantifiable properties? Wow

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Yes, do you bring up stats in every conversation where people are talking about the chances of something happeneing? Break out your trusty calculator?

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Well it was a very basic argument that playing teams with better records will naturally decrease in the probability of wins. It's a very simple argument, but you decided to ignorantly dismiss it and provide nothing but unsupported conjecture.

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No no no.. you're insufferable.

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Again. Who can THESE Houston Rockets--who are getting outscored by 6 points per game and have winning percentage of 0.389 winning--beat 9 times out of 10?

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Bro just give me the odds this happens don't worry about the teams ok. We're talking about NBA basketball right so the teams are irrelevant for this, hell just assume Golden State. I want you to show me how the results of games are affected by SOS using these parameters.

10 games v team that you beat 89%
10 games v team that you beat 91%

What are the chances that you beat both teams 9 times if 10 games are played?

Lol @ the Rockets and their "leader" James Harden.

Well D12 is about to start playing every night, that obviously makes a difference. Beverley has only played in a little more than a handful of games this season( I don't mean 5 literally, this is where I know you'll go look it up and point out that he's played in more games than that you stickler you). That's 3 starters from last years team that will soon be in the lineup every night who haven't been up until now.

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And meshing? It's not like you have a brand new core of players

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Exaclty, which is why they'll play better when they get the 3 starters from last season playing every night. Which means that they HAVE been playing with new players this season up until now. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the team before you try to act like you know what you're talking about. You rarely if ever see me commenting on CLE. Why? They aren't my team and I don't watch them every night.

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In other words, the only team that would likely win 9/10 is Golden State,

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OK whats the odds GSW wins 9/10 v a .300 team v a .350 team?

8 different starting lineups in 18 games.

meshing? Meshing?

yea the same squad has been together all year.