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re: Red Sox sign Porcello to a 4 year extension
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:18 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:18 am to Lester Earl
quote:
so what's Corey Kluber worth?
In a vacuum? Certainly more than Porcello.
LOL at you attempting to compare Porcello's contract with impending free agency and Cleveland giving up 3 arbitration years of Kluber
The difference in bargaining power is HUGE.
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:48 am to reddman
Soon 30m a year contracts will be fairly common and 20m a year will be for league average players
Posted on 4/7/15 at 11:20 am to papz
quote:
Now he probably will since the BoSox just inflated the market price for starting pitching.
He was going to command a similar contract to the one Scherzer just signed anyway.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 11:32 am to Wayne Campbell
I disagree... 25ish give or take. Now there's little chance he'll come for less than that.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:02 pm to Lester Earl
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Yordano Ventura, Carlos Carrassco, and Kluber all just inked deals within the last week. Combined they will make as much as Porcello will.
You are comparing apples to oranges, all those pitchers were under team control way longer than Porcello.
$20 million per year sounds like too much for Porcello, but it is only four years. Teams have to pay premiums for shorter contracts. The fact of the matter is this board thinks 95% of free agent contracts handed out these days are massive overpays, but I think Ben Cherington knows what he is doing. Not saying this deal with work out or not, but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:08 pm to The Seaward
He has only had an ERA+ over 100 twice in his career, his rookie season and last year, prior to that he was a below average pitcher.
Players he compares to at the same age are
Jon Garland (942)
Greg Maddux (940) *
Alex Fernandez (938)
Larry Christenson (931)
Ray Sadecki (930)
Brett Myers (928)
Rick Wise (927)
Steve Avery (927)
Dontrelle Willis (926)
Storm Davis (924)
If he turns out like Maddux then the deal is a bargain, anyone else and
Players he compares to at the same age are
Jon Garland (942)
Greg Maddux (940) *
Alex Fernandez (938)
Larry Christenson (931)
Ray Sadecki (930)
Brett Myers (928)
Rick Wise (927)
Steve Avery (927)
Dontrelle Willis (926)
Storm Davis (924)
If he turns out like Maddux then the deal is a bargain, anyone else and
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:17 pm to tduecen
Porcello's OPS against last year, his best year, was higher than MLB average OPS and AL average OPS. It was higher than MLB starting pitchers' average OPS and identical to AL starting pitchers' average OPS. So, he's basically an average pitcher.
Hard to not see this as a wild overpay. MLB teams are so flush with money, they are paying average starters $20M. Heaven forbid they lower ticket and concession prices.
Hard to not see this as a wild overpay. MLB teams are so flush with money, they are paying average starters $20M. Heaven forbid they lower ticket and concession prices.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:17 pm to tduecen
I don't really value ERA, especially for a ground baller pitching in front of abysmal Tigers defenses. He has three straight seasons of sub 100 FIP- (lower the better). I think Porcello is better than most in this thread are giving him credit for, but yeah no one is confusing him for an ace. His k rate drop last year is fairly concerning as well. $20 mil on a short contract doesn't buy you an ace though.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:24 pm to The Seaward
Era+ is adjusted due to ballpark, it is different than ERA
based on what? everyone is saying he is a #3/4 pitcher which is what he is but he is now being paid like an ace
Less than 30 players in all of MLB make 20m a year and now Porcello is one. He is not in the same area as many of the other pitchers that signed for 20m a year.
Had he gone to the open market he could have gone to the open market and he would not have gotten 20m he would have gotten 6-8 years but not 20m a year.
quote:
Porcello is better than most in this thread are giving him credit for
based on what? everyone is saying he is a #3/4 pitcher which is what he is but he is now being paid like an ace
quote:but he is being paid like one
but yeah no one is confusing him for an ace.
quote:20m is an ace no matter the length of the contract, I don't care if it is a 2 year 40m deal. 20m is what the best players in the game are being paid....
20 mil on a short contract doesn't buy you an ace though.
Less than 30 players in all of MLB make 20m a year and now Porcello is one. He is not in the same area as many of the other pitchers that signed for 20m a year.
Had he gone to the open market he could have gone to the open market and he would not have gotten 20m he would have gotten 6-8 years but not 20m a year.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:27 pm to tduecen
I get the short term premium, but I have a tough investing in his profile. No strikeouts is 
and I even love ground ball pitchers.
I would want like a 22% K% or better.
and I even love ground ball pitchers. I would want like a 22% K% or better.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:28 pm to tduecen
But is it adjusted for defense? That is the main thing that matters. Look at the total dollars, not just the AAV. Lester got $150, that is ace money. Porcello got half that. Shields got a little more than Porcello. He is a 2, going into decline years. Porcello is a 3 going into potential prime years.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:30 pm to The Seaward
I'm not saying I love this deal. It definitely isn't a bargain. I just don't think it is crazy as most of this thread implies.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:36 pm to The Seaward
Declining Shields > peak Porcello.
It is not dreadful, especially because the Sox can spend a ton. I just have no interest in locking him up. shite, I prefer Wade Miley and good Clay Buchholz.
It is not dreadful, especially because the Sox can spend a ton. I just have no interest in locking him up. shite, I prefer Wade Miley and good Clay Buchholz.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:39 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I like Porcello but for 13-16m not 20m a year no matter how long his contract is.... I mean a 8 year 120m is the perfect deal for him IMO. I don't understand 20m even if it is for what he may do (I understand the reasoning, but not the deal on this pitcher)
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:47 pm to tduecen
Boston is also taking on quite a bit of risk with this deferred deal. Porcello could blow out his UCL this year, and he'll still get paid. So, the price should even have a discount baked in.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:50 pm to tduecen
I think I rather 4/82 than 8/120, eight years is a long time for a pitcher. And I'd take Shields over Porcello this year, in for years 3 and 4 of these deals, that will likely change though.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:02 pm to Speedy G
Are you Speedy? Cause if so, you are one of the best posters on here.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:32 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Bump! He got lit up again today. ERA now over 6. His next three better be a lot better. 
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:33 pm to Jcorye1
This was probably part of Boston's whole new thing about paying pitchers that are 25-28 instead of 29-32.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:34 pm to Jcorye1
What the hell
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