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re: Red Sox sign Porcello to a 4 year extension
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:10 am to DallasTiger45
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:10 am to DallasTiger45
His age 20 season was his second best season as a pro. Even if you take his 23-25 age years he's not worth this money.
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:15 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
1. Never said he was worth this much. I agree it's a moderate overpay
2. Red Sox aren't paying for his past performance. He's just now entering his prime and should be a good fit with the Red Sox team as they will be constructed for the duration of the contract. I think it's certainly reasonable for him to maintain last year's performance if not improve on it.
2. Red Sox aren't paying for his past performance. He's just now entering his prime and should be a good fit with the Red Sox team as they will be constructed for the duration of the contract. I think it's certainly reasonable for him to maintain last year's performance if not improve on it.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:15 am to DallasTiger45
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I think anyone thinking logically would come to the same conclusion, given his age. Not sure why Lester is getting so hung up on his stats from his age 21-23 seasons when most other pitchers are in college/minors.
so you think what he did last year was worth $20mil?
there are 50 other MLB pitchers licking their chops
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:25 am to Lester Earl
4 WAR at age 25 is a very good season, good enough for 22nd in the bigs among pitchers. It's not worth $20 Mil AAV but it's worth probably 15/18ish.
I also think it's more likely he improves than falls off
I also think it's more likely he improves than falls off
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:38 am to Lester Earl
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not $20mil rare. when your career ERA is 4.30
Inflation in baseball is damn high. Plus, the Sox are paying a premium since it is a short term contract and not in the 7-8 year range.
The Cubs would've had to pay more for Lester if they only wanted to sign him for 4 years.
I like the Porcello deal more than the Lester deal. I don't think Lester is a true ace. He has only shown that for one season. His ERA danced around 4 or higher a few times too. Plus, I can't fathom paying someone 27.5 mil when they're 35 or 25 mil when they're 37.
Porcello at least gives a return in that he is a durable inning eater in the mold of a Brad Penny. That's valuable. Is 20 mil way too much? Yes, but there is something to be said for how terrible Detroit's defense is and how that can hurt a groundball pitcher. Plus, the Sox would be done with him in 4 years. It isn't long term or crippling like Lester's contract could be.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:42 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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I get that half those deals are looking bad now, but they were all SP1's at one point. T
Yeah, but too bad when they're making the big money they're no better than SP4's.
I'd rather take the Sox approach and keep it short term (4 years) and younger. Hell, Scherzer wasn't an ace until a few years ago. His ERA was hovering around 4 until 2013.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:45 am to Jcorye1
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Red Sox sign Porcello to a 4 year extension
82.5 Million over 4 years.
Johnny Cueto's pricetag just went way the frick up.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:47 am to Moustache
I would have rather saved my money and go after Jordan Zimmerman during the off season.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:50 am to DallasTiger45
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It's not worth $20 Mil AAV but it's worth probably 15/18ish.
This, plus his youth indicates he will only get better as opposed to the Lester deal. I can see why the Sox chose this route. They paid a 3-5 mil AAV premium to keep the deal short term- which is extremely valuable so you don't end up with a Matt Cain or CC.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:52 am to papz
He's better, but he will require more of an investment (probably 6 years) and there's no guarantee he wants to play in Boston. He's also much more flyball heavy, which plays a lot better in Washington than Boston.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:54 am to reddman
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Johnny Cueto's pricetag just went way the frick up.
I think Cueto could possibly be one of the most underrated pitchers in the game today. Literally nobody talks about him.
When healthy, he is one of the best. However, I would let him walk if I were the Reds. Given the Reds' age, they would just be handcuffing themselves with a huge contract with the impending rebuild coming.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:55 am to papz
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I would have rather saved my money and go after Jordan Zimmerman during the off season.
Zimmerman is going to command 25m for about 8-10 years. Way too long.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:55 am to DallasTiger45
He's 28. A 6 year investment would have been well worth it. Had that option failed during the off season, they could have re-engaged with Porcello as a backup plan... or even a Doug Fister for less than that.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:57 am to Moustache
Now he probably will since the BoSox just inflated the market price for starting pitching. That said, his contract won't reach 8 years.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:00 am to DallasTiger45
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It's not worth $20 Mil AAV but it's worth probably 15/18ish.
so what's Corey Kluber worth?
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:00 am to Moustache
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However, I would let him walk if I were the Reds.
They aren't going to have a choice in the matter. There's no way they can afford him.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:06 am to reddman
GM's around the league are probably thinking to themselves that this countastic Ben Cherrington just fricked everyone over. There's just no way Cueto, Zimmerman, etc. are going for any less than 22/23 million dollars to start off negotiations with... as a low ball offer.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:10 am to Lester Earl
Yordano Ventura, Carlos Carrassco, and Kluber all just inked deals within the last week. Combined they will make as much as Porcello will. 
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:11 am to DallasTiger45
Porcello's career arc so far is extremely similar to Jon Garland
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:14 am to papz
I love Teheran's contract
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