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Northwestern players denied request to form first union for athletes
Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:35 am
Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:35 am
ESPN
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In a surprising decision that amounts to punting on the issue, the National Labor Relations Board on Monday declined to assert jurisdiction in the historic Northwestern University case where football players had been deemed to be employees by the regional NLRB director last year.
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Effectively, the decision is a major victory for Northwestern and the NCAA. Analysts expected the five-member NLRB to either back or reverse the decision, but instead, the board exercised its discretion not to take charge of the case and dismissed the representation petition filed by the College Athletes Players Association, which had worked with then-quarterback Kain Colter and the 2015 Wildcats football team.
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Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:38 am to ForeverLSU02
I think the key take away is...
They didn't want to rock the boat, or in this case, fricking capsize it, by setting prescendent.
I'm torn b/c the NW students probably have a pretty good legal case, but the ramifications would do far more damage than good, IMO.
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"In the decision, the Board held that asserting jurisdiction would not promote labor stability due to the nature and structure of NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS)," the NLRB wrote in its decision. "By statute the Board does not have jurisdiction over state-run colleges and universities, which constitute 108 of the roughly 125 FBS teams.
"In addition, every school in the Big Ten, except Northwestern, is a state-run institution. As the NCAA and conference maintain substantial control over individual teams, the Board held that asserting jurisdiction over a single team would not promote stability in labor relations across the league
They didn't want to rock the boat, or in this case, fricking capsize it, by setting prescendent.
I'm torn b/c the NW students probably have a pretty good legal case, but the ramifications would do far more damage than good, IMO.
This post was edited on 8/17/15 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:46 am to MSMHater
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the NW students probably have a pretty good legal case, but the ramifications would do far more damage than good
:kige:
Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:57 am to tigerpimpbot
Reading between the lines, Northwestern players were going to vote down unionizing anyway. NLRB punted so as not to have a precedent just hanging out there, waiting for another school to try it.
The union is the wrong tact anyway. It's a loser for the players. Keep up the lawsuits to bring down the NCAA. It's only just begun. It's really amazing the NCAA is legal when you stop to think about it: it's this giant restraint on trade designed to deprive the labor in an industry of compensation on the grounds its good for them. Good luck with that.
Eventually, the restrictions on selling your autograph and prohibitions on outside compensation are going to get destroyed by the courts.
The union is the wrong tact anyway. It's a loser for the players. Keep up the lawsuits to bring down the NCAA. It's only just begun. It's really amazing the NCAA is legal when you stop to think about it: it's this giant restraint on trade designed to deprive the labor in an industry of compensation on the grounds its good for them. Good luck with that.
Eventually, the restrictions on selling your autograph and prohibitions on outside compensation are going to get destroyed by the courts.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:58 am to Baloo
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Baloo
I think you're dead on with all counts.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:00 pm to Baloo
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Eventually, the restrictions on selling your autograph and prohibitions on outside compensation are going to get destroyed by the courts.
100% agree.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:01 pm to Baloo
Who in Natchitoches is buying enough autographs to warrant a union to protect the players?
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:12 pm to Alter Number 3
Wrong northwestern
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:16 pm to Alter Number 3
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Who in Natchitoches is buying enough autographs to warrant a union to protect the players?
Northwestern University. Not freaking Northwestern State.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:18 pm to Alter Number 3
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Who in Natchitoches is buying enough autographs to warrant a union to protect the players?
Players tired of getting forked.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:27 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Eventually, the restrictions on selling your autograph and prohibitions on outside compensation are going to get destroyed by the courts.
100% agree.
Probably right, but I hope not.
Just gives the boosters an easier path to paying players incredible amounts of money under the table.
This post was edited on 8/17/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 8/17/15 at 1:16 pm to Alter Number 3
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Who in Natchitoches is buying enough autographs to warrant a union to protect the players?
That's either a weak troll or you have no fricking clue.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 1:20 pm to tigerpimpbot
But the slippery slope this will lead to will only benefit the rich. Your traditional powerhouses with money will have an even larger strangle hold on the market of players.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 1:25 pm to MontyFranklyn
There's only about 15 schools that are going to be able to survive. Hell, most of the SEC schools aren't going to be able to out-pay the Big Ten
Posted on 8/17/15 at 1:51 pm to MSMHater
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I'm torn b/c the NW students probably have a pretty good legal case, but the ramifications would do far more damage than good, IMO
I disagree, take the 28 teams in the two most profitable conferences, SEC & Big Ten. How would letting only 2 of the 26 schools form a union, promote stability in labor relations among those conferences?
Posted on 8/17/15 at 3:11 pm to PAGator
I have no problem if NCAA athletes want to be considered employees just as soon as they agree to pay taxes on their income. They can not have it both ways. And if they are employees, their medical coverages are covered by their states' workers compensation laws, not an all encompassing health plan. Their meal plan: what company pays for its employees to eat for free?
Posted on 8/17/15 at 3:26 pm to MontyFranklyn
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But the slippery slope this will lead to will only benefit the rich. Your traditional powerhouses with money will have an even larger strangle hold on the market of players.
The slippery slope is a logical fallacy. It's taught in logic classes and everything.
Also, how is that different from now? I'm terrified that if we implement reform, Ohio St, FSU, Bama, USC, and other football powers will dominate recruiting.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 3:32 pm to Baloo
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Eventually, the restrictions on selling your autograph and prohibitions on outside compensation are going to get destroyed by the courts.
I guess it's possible, but it's hardly logical.
The only restriction is eligibility with the NCAA itself. Players agree to rules, players either play by rules or are ineligible. At every point, the player can choose to no longer be affiliated with the NCAA and charge for autographs and get endorsement deals.
People like yourself are going to be so excited to be right while the game itself and its fans are screwed. Congrats.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 3:55 pm to ForeverLSU02
Good. i hate unions. Would only be a matter of time before they'd be striking and cancelling college football seasons.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 4:50 pm to ForeverLSU02
I hate the argument that the players are getting screwed. They get elite healthcare, room and board, and a free degree of which the majority would not qualify academically at the institution they are attending much less have a scholarship. Marshall lynch attended uc Berkley. For free. Think about that.
If they don't like it and want to profit off their image the arena league and Canada are ready and willing out of high school.
Forget the fact that regardless of their performance in the pros they have a safety net of alumni that are ready and willing to help them be a success in life after football.
If they don't like it and want to profit off their image the arena league and Canada are ready and willing out of high school.
Forget the fact that regardless of their performance in the pros they have a safety net of alumni that are ready and willing to help them be a success in life after football.
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