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re: NBA culture
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:07 am to McCaigBro69
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:07 am to McCaigBro69
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Hello no, his game is nowhere near as complete as Lebron's is.
who cares about "complete"? Shaq wasn't even close to a complete player but he is one of the most dominant players the league has seen.
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:08 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:If KD won last season, do you think Lebron would have said teh same thing?
I think it's a little of both.
I don't know the answer, just curious.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:08 am to shel311
No, Lebron doesn't really directly hate on anyone. But, his response didn't show much respect for curry and his game.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:10 am to Boomshockalocka
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who cares about "complete"? Shaq wasn't even close to a complete player but he is one of the most dominant players the league has seen.
Are you really saying Shaq's game wasn't complete for a post? He was a force on offense and defense and did what a great post should in all aspects of the game.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:12 am to jptiger2009
Durant has always gotten a pass, largely because Westbrook is the alpha on that team and gets most of the blame when they lose (often justifiably so).
Their problem was for years that Durant, a far more efficient scorer than Westbrook, watched Russ shoot them out of games late. The 2011 WCF was so bad commentators were questioning whether Russ should be playing the final minutes because he literally brought the ball up and pulled up for contested jumpers or wildly fling it towards the rim on out of control drives every possession.
Their problem was for years that Durant, a far more efficient scorer than Westbrook, watched Russ shoot them out of games late. The 2011 WCF was so bad commentators were questioning whether Russ should be playing the final minutes because he literally brought the ball up and pulled up for contested jumpers or wildly fling it towards the rim on out of control drives every possession.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:13 am to McCaigBro69
quote:That's not what MVP means.
He's by and far miles more valuable to Cleveland than Steph is to Golden State.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:15 am to McCaigBro69
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Lebron was right when he said the things he did. He's by and far miles more valuable to Cleveland than Steph is to Golden State.
Not even the stats say this now.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:16 am to McCaigBro69
quote:Are you really saying Curry's game isn't complete for a point guard?
Are you really saying Shaq's game wasn't complete for a post?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:16 am to jptiger2009
quote:hyperbole and conjecture. OP means nothing.
Today's top players also hate on Curry.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:16 am to PrimeTime Money
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That's not what MVP means.
What does it mean? Will you show me where the NBA has defined the exact specifics of what the MVP is?
I think of it like this, if a player is taken away, how much does their team fall in regards to how they perform with them in the lineup. That is the definition of 'valuable' in a team sport like basketball.
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PrimeTime Money
BTW, your post on the defensive rule change yesterday was one of the best on this board in a long time.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:19 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:When you say KD watched, he literally watched because many of those times Russ seemingly forced up bad shots was done so because he spent 15 seconds trying to get the ball to KD, who didn't have enough strength to get in a good spot to get the ball. So Russ was forced to do something eventually with the shot clock going down.
Their problem was for years that Durant, a far more efficient scorer than Westbrook, watched Russ shoot them out of games late. The 2011 WCF was so bad commentators were questioning whether Russ should be playing the final minutes because he literally brought the ball up and pulled up for contested jumpers or wildly fling it towards the rim on out of control drives every possession.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:19 am to Boomshockalocka
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Are you really saying Curry's game isn't complete for a point guard?
How many times has Steph gone off for a triple-double?
Westbrook is by far a better PG than Curry will ever be all-around.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:20 am to McCaigBro69
quote:Guess that makes Jason Kidd the best point guard ever. Steph isn't asked to rebound. Just because his team philosophy doesn't ask him to so as much as westbrook does for his team doesn't make him better. You gotta use your eyes instead of just looking at the #s.
How many times has Steph gone off for a triple-double?
Westbrook is by far a better PG than Curry will ever be all-around.
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:24 am to jptiger2009
In sports we need a hero and villain.
Steph with his slight-of-build playing for a non-traditional power, who doesn't look like he should be as good as he is, in the West where he's perceived to have a tough road to the Finals, makes for an easy guy to root for.
Lebron is the guy that was anointed as great before he even got to the NBA. He has all of physical talent anyone could want. He's orchestrated team moves to his liking. He plays in the East. He makes for an easy villain.
As for NBA past stars, I think all of them to some extent can appreciate what Steph has done this season. It's when he's elevated to the title of "best player in the world." I don't think NBA players past or present are buying that.
Steph with his slight-of-build playing for a non-traditional power, who doesn't look like he should be as good as he is, in the West where he's perceived to have a tough road to the Finals, makes for an easy guy to root for.
Lebron is the guy that was anointed as great before he even got to the NBA. He has all of physical talent anyone could want. He's orchestrated team moves to his liking. He plays in the East. He makes for an easy villain.
As for NBA past stars, I think all of them to some extent can appreciate what Steph has done this season. It's when he's elevated to the title of "best player in the world." I don't think NBA players past or present are buying that.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:27 am to McCaigBro69
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Westbrook is by far a better PG than Curry will ever be all-around.
Their respective player efficiency ratings and +/- tell a different story. Curry had a PER of 31.56 this season, which is stupid until you realize it was around 33 for much of the year. For reference, Jordan's career PER was around 27 and James' around 26.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:27 am to McCaigBro69
quote:It just means who is the most valuable player in the league for that year.
What does it mean? Will you show me where the NBA has defined the exact specifics of what the MVP is? I think of it like this, if a player is taken away, how much does their team fall in regards to how they perform with them in the lineup. That is the definition of 'valuable' in a team sport like basketball.
Most valuable to your own team doesn't make much sense as every player has a different team dynamic and it's impossible to judge what a team would be like without a particular player.
There is no real definition for what "MVP" is, I just don't think it makes logical sense for it to mean "most valuable to your own team". I think the award was created simply to award the best player in the league. People get too caught up on the word "valuable".
quote:Thank you.
BTW, your post on the defensive rule change yesterday was one of the best on this board in a long time.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:29 am to Roger Klarvin
i love russ and i really like curry and curry is the better player
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:30 am to jptiger2009
People are starting to turn on Curry too.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:32 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:It's stupid to compare a single season to a career
Curry had a PER of 31.56 this season, which is stupid until you realize it was around 33 for much of the year. For reference, Jordan's career PER was around 27 and James' around 26.
08-09 LBJ - 31.67
09-10 LBJ - 31.11
11-12 LBJ - 30.74
12-13 LBJ - 31.59
87-88 MJ - 31.71
88-89 MJ - 31.14
89-90 MJ - 31.18
90-91 MJ - 31.63
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:33 am to Goldrush25
quote:Maybe I'm arguing semantics or splitting hairs but if someone wants to say Lebron is better, I have no objections to that.
As for NBA past stars, I think all of them to some extent can appreciate what Steph has done this season. It's when he's elevated to the title of "best player in the world." I don't think NBA players past or present are buying that.
But, it's the way some past stars or posters or whoever object to it. If someone says Steph is the best player in the world, it isn't remotely an absurd thing to say. But some act like it's just some crazy notion.
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