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re: NBA Considering Changing Draft Format
Posted on 12/23/13 at 12:38 pm to BraveTiger225
Posted on 12/23/13 at 12:38 pm to BraveTiger225
quote:Easy to figure out. The draft is equitable over any given five-year cycle. While one team gets pics 1/30/19/18/7, another team gets 4/27/24/13/12. There's balance there. If you expand, you can just start another cycle based on the new number of teams. Not hard at all.
This idea is fine and dandy until the league decides to expand or contract within the next 30 years.
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Posted on 12/23/13 at 12:41 pm to eyeran
quote:To think that the league has no interest in assuring that its teams are competing in good faith is nonsensical.
Tanking is a bad team management problem, not a league problem.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 12:52 pm to ballscaster
Competing in good faith.....what does that even mean? Was Phoenix competing in good faith this off season when everyone thought they were tanking?
Posted on 12/23/13 at 12:54 pm to floridatigah
quote:Trying to win.
Competing in good faith
Posted on 12/23/13 at 12:55 pm to ballscaster
quote:Tanking and poor management are two different things.
To think that the league has no interest in assuring that its teams are competing in good faith is nonsensical.
The Kings and Bobcats haven't been horrible for most of the past decade because they've spent 10 years tanking. They've been horrible due to terrible personnel decision after terrible personnel decision.
The tanking issue has just blown up this year because of a couple of the prospects in this class and how horrible the eastern conference is.
But, the east is not bad because of teams tanking. This east is terrible because of horribly constructed teams who were supposed to be "good" that just aren't(NY,Brooklyn, Cle) and injuries(Derrick Rose). I don't think you blow up the system because Michael Jordan is a terrible GM.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 12:59 pm to ballscaster
Good luck regulating that. Stupid to even try, Cleveland was trying to win this off season, Phoenix wasn't and look at where both those teams are. There isn't anything wrong with teams 'tanking' in the off season, the in season stuff is what needs to go.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:06 pm to eyeran
Sounds like you don't get it.
The old system: The more you lose, the higher your pick. Teams occasionally tanked, so the NBA tried to eliminate it with...
The current system: The more you lose, the better the chance you have of getting a high pick. It is possible that we have teams currently tanking. The NBA cannot have this. That's why we're hearing about....
The proposed system: The draft is predetermined and equitable, eliminating any possibility of a benefit from tanking.
The old system: The more you lose, the higher your pick. Teams occasionally tanked, so the NBA tried to eliminate it with...
The current system: The more you lose, the better the chance you have of getting a high pick. It is possible that we have teams currently tanking. The NBA cannot have this. That's why we're hearing about....
The proposed system: The draft is predetermined and equitable, eliminating any possibility of a benefit from tanking.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:11 pm to floridatigah
quote:That's all I'm talking about. This proposed system completely eliminates the in-season stuff. Does it have negative side-effects? Don't know.
the in season stuff
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:12 pm to floridatigah
So many of the nba writers i've been reading whine about tanking are the same guys who gave Philly standing ovations the entire summer, for their offseason. They can't have it both ways...congratulate a team for succesfully blowing it up and then complain when they have to watch the product.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:12 pm to ballscaster
The whole tanking thing doesn't bother me. These are bad teams that are already going to lose over 50 games. So instead they lose 60. So what? It's not like these teams are on the cusp of being good and are competing worth a crap anyway.
I understand that the NBA is looking to always have a competitive quality product on the court. Thing is, without losing those extra games to get that player they need those teams will stay bad and never get better.
I understand that the NBA is looking to always have a competitive quality product on the court. Thing is, without losing those extra games to get that player they need those teams will stay bad and never get better.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:12 pm to ballscaster
quote:
This is either untrue or inconsequential. The smallest market teams have been better than the largest market teams in the past decade.
And all those teams(OKC, San Antonio, GSW, POR, etc) have built through the draft while big market teams(LA's, NY, MIA, etc) havr built through the FA market.
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If giving everybody the same draft picks over a 30 year period is what keeps a small market team from succeeding, then there is no reason for its market to have an NBA franchise.
The point of an NBA franchise is to be profitable, namely through winning the championship. However you can stilk be profitable with a team unlikely to ever win a championship. There are few cities(LA, Chi, Mia, Hou, etc.) that have enough of a market to make money to pay the tax and attract free agents. Everyone else just has to try to keep up.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:16 pm to ballscaster
quote:Thats rich
Sounds like you don't get it.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:17 pm to reddman
talk about reactionary...as it has been said it would just cause more top prospects to pick and choose when they come out. The have nots would be left even further behind.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:18 pm to eyeran
quote:How is it not a league problem?
Tanking is a bad team management problem, not a league problem
I'm not saying this is the answer but it's a huge league issue.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:23 pm to floridatigah
quote:Under this new rule, Phoenix's incentive to do what they did this offseason would be what?
Was Phoenix competing in good faith this off season when everyone thought they were tanking?
That's the idea.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:24 pm to Ed Wuncler III
quote:Golden State has one of the biggest markets in North America.
And all those teams(OKC, San Antonio, GSW, POR, etc)
quote:Miami is the 17th team in term of market size.
big market teams(LA's, NY, MIA, etc)
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:25 pm to shel311
quote:
Under this new rule, Phoenix's incentive to do what they did this offseason would be what?
Stew over the fact they potentially four years away from another top-6 pick?
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:29 pm to shel311
quote:Its is an issue this year. Teams weren't tanking to draft Anthony Bennett last year.
How is it not a league problem?
I'm not saying this is the answer but it's a huge league issue.
Teams that stay bad are bad because of their own bad decisions, not because they're intentionally trying to lose. Or in the Celtics case, they just got old and needed to start over.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:29 pm to brgfather129
quote:Sounds like their GM has work to do. This system makes GM's more active. That is inherently good.
Stew over the fact they potentially four years away from another top-6 pick?
Again, if you're in a small market, and you don't have the resources to improve your team, you probably shouldn't have a team.
But that's not the case. The smallest market teams do just fine. Better than the largest market teams, in fact.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:30 pm to eyeran
quote:It's an issue every year, it's just more of an issue this year. Teams are tanking every year.
Its is an issue this year. Teams weren't tanking to draft Anthony Bennett last year
quote:It's both in some instances. As a result of being bad and having no shot, they tank to get a better shot at a higher pick.
Teams are bad because of their own bad decisions, not because they're intentionally trying to lose
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