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re: Nail in Emmert's coffin: NCAA influenced Freeh's "independent" report on PSU
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:12 pm to PSU2LSU
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:12 pm to PSU2LSU
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They want the 60 million fine that is to benefit child abuse victims to benefit PA child abuse victims. They don't want the money to go to California or Hawaii.
that's all well and good, I just don't see what legal right they claim to have to that money
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:20 pm to Dr RC
PSU had control of a charitable foundation?
What was PSU to control? They had a tenured employee commit a heinous crime.
What was PSU to control? They had a tenured employee commit a heinous crime.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:27 pm to sms151t
quote:The 2nd mile was independent of Penn State.
PSU had control of a charitable foundation?
quote:Sandusky was not a employee of the University. Of course not sure why this matters either way.
They had a tenured employee commit a heinous crime.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:27 pm to WinnPtiger
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that's all well and good, I just don't see what legal right they claim to have to that money
Not sure they have a legal claim either, but the judge let the lawsuit continue because the NCAA tried to get it thrown out.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:28 pm to Zamoro10
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You are a dumber person for succumbing to everything you read right away...slow down...investigate for yourself
This is tough for folks, including myself, nowadays. With how fast and furious news gets thrown at us, we get the urge to need to have an opinion within 10 minutes so we can discuss it with friends or here or wherever.
This is an area that I've been working on with myself. TD is a great place to learn from too. It's easy to spot who to listen to, and if you pay attention, it's easy to see who the respected posters are. Most of them have 1 thing in common...they tend to have solid opinions because they think for themselves and care about finding the truth.
Scruff is a pretty good example
/hardlegging
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:31 pm to PSU2LSU
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Not sure they have a legal claim either, but the judge let the lawsuit continue because the NCAA tried to get it thrown out.
oh I agree with the judgement. The NCAA would only try to get it thrown out if they felt like they would end up having to pay some of it to the state. just thought it was odd for the state as it's own legal entity to get involved in the first place
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:38 pm to PSU2LSU
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Sandusky was not a employee of the University
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Michael Bangs, the hearing examiner, wrote in the recent court filing that it was clear Sandusky controlled the way he worked, was able to come and go as he pleased, didn’t have to answer to anyone at Penn State and had no responsibility or obligation to the university — indications that he was not an employee after 1999.
Bangs also references the Freeh report, saying it “was based on significant hearsay and was mostly ruled inadmissible (for the proceedings), (but) was admitted in part to show it had found Sandusky had received 71 separate payments from Penn State between 2000 and 2008.”
Think I read that there weren't as many payments as mentioned(between 2000-08). But still, he was there, and paid. And isn't he still receiving retirement form PSU?
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:42 pm to sms151t
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You can bet your arse if a tenured employee was given access to Alabama's facilities by the University there's not a damn thing Saban can do about it. I do not get what is so hard to understand. That facility is not just Saban's, it is the University's and they control who get access to it.
yea, they'll tell saban to frick right off
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:48 pm to sms151t
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You can bet your arse if a tenured employee was given access to Alabama's facilities by the University there's not a damn thing Saban can do about it. I do not get what is so hard to understand. That facility is not just Saban's, it is the University's and they control who get access to it
Saban having control over who has access -74.5 vs Saban not having control
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:52 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Saban having control over who has access -74.5 vs Saban not having control
The moneyline on that would have to be bet $2.7MM to win $100.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Think I read that there weren't as many payments as mentioned(between 2000-08). But still, he was there, and paid. And isn't he still receiving retirement form PSU?
He receives his pension from the State of Pennsylvania. The payments were as a independent contractor. He wasn't a regular employee. Either way neither have any bearing on the heinous crimes he committed.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:35 pm to beaver
From the linked story:
It reads like Freeh chose what to investigate after hearing the NCAA's input. I'm not sure why this is terribly damning. Freeh couldn't very well fail to communicate with the NCAA RE: what they knew and what they thought was suspicious any more than he could fail to investigate Sandusky, PSU, Jo Pa etc.
It seems reasonable to think (based on the allegations in teh story) that Freeh heard their input and then made his own decisions RE: what to pursue (this is implied in the story as well). The fact that the NCAA asked for updates from him to deal with the ongoing media story hardly seems damning either - what else were they going to do? Issue statements that their investigator would later contradict?
Assuming Freeh was the man driving the investigation it reads like the NCAA followed his lead - rather than the other way around.
And why is this story completely missing commentary from Freeh? The heart of the accusation is that he was improperly influenced. I'd think the former director of the FBI would be pretty ticked off to hear that assertion. He was under no obligation to bend his knee to the authority of the NCAA - if anything the NCAA being image conscious made them likely to accept anything he said out of concern that he could shame them in public for non-compliance with his recommendations.
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In a statement, Penn State said, "It has been public knowledge for almost three years that the University had agreed that the NCAA and the Big Ten Conference would monitor the progress of the Freeh investigation. While the NCAA may have made suggestions to the Freeh Group with respect to its investigation, the scope of the Freeh investigation was established by the Penn State Board of Trustees, as set forth in the Freeh engagement letter, not by the NCAA.
It reads like Freeh chose what to investigate after hearing the NCAA's input. I'm not sure why this is terribly damning. Freeh couldn't very well fail to communicate with the NCAA RE: what they knew and what they thought was suspicious any more than he could fail to investigate Sandusky, PSU, Jo Pa etc.
It seems reasonable to think (based on the allegations in teh story) that Freeh heard their input and then made his own decisions RE: what to pursue (this is implied in the story as well). The fact that the NCAA asked for updates from him to deal with the ongoing media story hardly seems damning either - what else were they going to do? Issue statements that their investigator would later contradict?
Assuming Freeh was the man driving the investigation it reads like the NCAA followed his lead - rather than the other way around.
And why is this story completely missing commentary from Freeh? The heart of the accusation is that he was improperly influenced. I'd think the former director of the FBI would be pretty ticked off to hear that assertion. He was under no obligation to bend his knee to the authority of the NCAA - if anything the NCAA being image conscious made them likely to accept anything he said out of concern that he could shame them in public for non-compliance with his recommendations.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:55 pm to beaver
If Goodall is still employed, Emmert will skate. Colleges should just form another association and leave the NCAA.
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