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re: Nail in Emmert's coffin: NCAA influenced Freeh's "independent" report on PSU
Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:25 pm to sms151t
Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:25 pm to sms151t
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The University sets policy, not Saban.
So it is your contention that if Saban wants somebody banned from athletic department facilities, the University will tell him to go piss up a rope?
You're good; some of the rest of these clowns around here that like to fancy themselves trolls could learn a thing or two from you. The subtlety you're bringing is almost a work of art.
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:33 pm to sms151t
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Paterno never witnessed anything and was never charged. He heard a from a guy and reported it.
He heard from a guy, eh? Just some random, no name dude off the street? Not a guy who was basically a son to him? Not from another coach on his football staff?
Why wasn't Sandusky on Joe Pa's staff at that time? Why did Sandusky's promising coaching career abruptly vanish many years prior to being caught in the bathroom by Coach McQueary?
So Joe Pa knew about prior incidents, heard about another, indisputable incident, and what did he do?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:09 pm to PSU2LSU
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I think the state of PA is also suing the NCAA.
whats the legal purpose for this part? not flaming, just curious. Since Penn State is not technically a state school and all
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:31 pm to WinnPtiger
Not really sure why the Jo Pa truthers want us to dig this case back up. This guy was doing atrocious acts for YEARS in Penn St. facilities and you want us to believe that Joe Pa had no idea and did the right thing?
If that were true then why was Sandusky's coaching career permanently sidelined?
We know who the sheep are.
If that were true then why was Sandusky's coaching career permanently sidelined?
We know who the sheep are.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:40 pm to WinnPtiger
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whats the legal purpose for this part? not flaming, just curious. Since Penn State is not technically a state school and all
I could be wrong on this but this is my take. The state of PA is suing because they want(ed) the 60 million fine to benefit PA (and something else). So they sued for the fine to stay in PA and part of the lawsuit was for this discovery process which is going on right now. Well the NCAA at one point said we'll keep the 60 million fine in PA if you drop the lawsuit. The lawyers knew that the NCAA was hiding something and refused to drop the suit.
This is all my understanding of the process. I have no legal background.
"(Senator)Corman and (State Treasury)McCord are suing the NCAA in hopes of keeping in Pennsylvania the $60 million in fines the league imposed on the university. The e-mails between the NCAA and Freeh's investigators were obtained through the discovery process and attached to the motion."
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:01 pm to ironsides
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If I were a PSU fan, I would just let this whole discussion die. What Sandusky did was disgusting.
It really is the most indefensible crime. PSU employees new about it and covered it up. It happened on campus for crying out loud...
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:15 pm to sms151t
What about lack of institutional control is so hard for the PSU knights to understand?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:24 pm to JB Bama
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This guy was doing atrocious acts for YEARS in Penn St. facilities and you want us to believe that Joe Pa had no idea and did the right thing?
According to the prosecutors who tried Sandusky, they had very little evidence on Paterno and claim they never would have charged him with anything had he lived.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:36 pm to RollTide1987
There is charged with a crime... and what the frick were you doing when you were in charge?
One is punished with time in jail.
The other is punished by shunning. We expected better from Joe Pa then a child rapist. Well, we were wrong.
Spin it all the directions you want but when confronted with the idea that his close friend was raping children Joe Paterno... blinked. And it kept happening.
You want to talk about the greatest coach in college football? If he had come out, made the cops investigate, and condemned this when it first happened we would be talking about Joe Paterno like he was a saint. He didn't.
One is punished with time in jail.
The other is punished by shunning. We expected better from Joe Pa then a child rapist. Well, we were wrong.
Spin it all the directions you want but when confronted with the idea that his close friend was raping children Joe Paterno... blinked. And it kept happening.
You want to talk about the greatest coach in college football? If he had come out, made the cops investigate, and condemned this when it first happened we would be talking about Joe Paterno like he was a saint. He didn't.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:39 pm to Walking the Earth
Give Joe his wins back.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:41 pm to Arksulli
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his close friend was raping children Joe Paterno
I am a PSU fan but you can go through my post history. I've never defended Paterno.
To say that Paterno and Sandusky were close friends is absurd. I lived in State College and it was pretty well known that they didn't really care for each other. When Sandusky retired Paterno didn't bother to show up to his retirement dinner. Paterno only talked with Sandusky one time after he had retired.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:44 pm to Arksulli
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Spin it all the directions you want but when confronted with the idea that his close friend was raping children Joe Paterno... blinked. And it kept happening.
Joe Paterno is guilty in so far as it was happening under his watch. While he did his part (legally speaking) with the Sandusky incident in 2002, he most definitely could have pressed the issue further given his stature on campus and in the state of Pennsylvania. However, this idea that he actively helped cover for Sandusky for all those years is a different matter. As the prosecutors in the Sandusky trial have stated, there is absolutely no proof of that ever having happened.
The truth is always somewhere in the middle. I do not believe Paterno was the monster many of you claim. But do I think he is totally clean? No.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:50 pm to Sevendust912
So much bullshite being spouted.
You can watch numerous youtube videos that show how the idiots were brainwashed by the media to sell news.
Grow up...the summary of the report is all they reported and the summary of the report isn't even backed up by the report.
I used to hate Saban...but what he did for JoePa was pure class...Bama and Penn State have a long history despite being from completely different conferences...and fanbases...PSU won it's first official national title against Bama and Bear won his last against PSU.
Despite the media reports to sensationalize this stuff...I know Bear knew who JoePa was...and I appreciate Bama fans who aren't knee-jerk...it's just like the Civil War - take your time, read history...let it breathe...pitchfork history is bullshite. You are a dumber person for succumbing to everything you read right away...slow down...investigate for yourself.
People say Bama doesn't have classy fans...
That's a common refrain.
But Saban and Bama fans were real classy to JoePa...they understood history.
You can watch numerous youtube videos that show how the idiots were brainwashed by the media to sell news.
Grow up...the summary of the report is all they reported and the summary of the report isn't even backed up by the report.
I used to hate Saban...but what he did for JoePa was pure class...Bama and Penn State have a long history despite being from completely different conferences...and fanbases...PSU won it's first official national title against Bama and Bear won his last against PSU.
Despite the media reports to sensationalize this stuff...I know Bear knew who JoePa was...and I appreciate Bama fans who aren't knee-jerk...it's just like the Civil War - take your time, read history...let it breathe...pitchfork history is bullshite. You are a dumber person for succumbing to everything you read right away...slow down...investigate for yourself.
People say Bama doesn't have classy fans...
That's a common refrain.
But Saban and Bama fans were real classy to JoePa...they understood history.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:12 pm to PSU2LSU
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I could be wrong on this but this is my take. The state of PA is suing because they want(ed) the 60 million fine to benefit PA (and something else). So they sued for the fine to stay in PA and part of the lawsuit was for this discovery process which is going on right now. Well the NCAA at one point said we'll keep the 60 million fine in PA if you drop the lawsuit. The lawyers knew that the NCAA was hiding something and refused to drop the suit.
I guess my question is what legal right does the state have to the money? other than it indirectly affecting their local economics
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:16 pm to Zamoro10
Favorite thing about this board
Everyone wants so bad to be cool hipster guy so when espn or anything affiliated with them is mentioned you get typical tryinf to be cool "who watches espn" "you watch espn???" Etc
But same people billieve the amount of lies and spin espn reported and state them as fact on here and never looked at other more truthful sources
Same people will claim that espn lied about bounty gate...but this...why would espn lie?
Dolts
Everyone wants so bad to be cool hipster guy so when espn or anything affiliated with them is mentioned you get typical tryinf to be cool "who watches espn" "you watch espn???" Etc
But same people billieve the amount of lies and spin espn reported and state them as fact on here and never looked at other more truthful sources
Same people will claim that espn lied about bounty gate...but this...why would espn lie?
Dolts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:22 pm to beaver
quote:Agreed.
You don't overlook the lies and bullshite of the NCAA just because you think the punishment fits the crime
quote:Also agreed.
Just as you don't overlook the violation of a criminal's rights just because you feel the punishment fits the crime
quote:And you guessed it...
ETA when they come after your school, you will want them to do an honest investigation
Scruffy agrees.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:24 pm to WinnPtiger
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I guess my question is what legal right does the state have to the money? other than it indirectly affecting their local economics
They want the 60 million fine that is to benefit child abuse victims to benefit PA child abuse victims. They don't want the money to go to California or Hawaii.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:48 pm to beaver
Jesus christ you happy valley cult members are fricking delusional....
You had a coach protect a pedo for decades so he could rape children in your football facilities, and yall paid the rapist!
get fricked.
You had a coach protect a pedo for decades so he could rape children in your football facilities, and yall paid the rapist!
get fricked.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:00 pm to Zamoro10
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The whole news media "facts" - the Freeh Report, the NCAA and the blackmail to accept those ridiculous and unwarranted sanctions - was all utter dross
It was a perfect scenario for the NCAA to sling their slimy dicks all over the place without much backlash.
"Facts" were tough to come by. People either weren't willing to talk, and some of the ones that did changed stories or seemed sketchy. Plus the nature of the situation had the country fricking PISSED, and looking for blood.
PSU had 2 choices, let the NCAA hang them, or hang themselves.
That said, I don't really know enough to know if the NCAA did anything too, idk, wrong.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:04 pm to PSU2LSU
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To say that Paterno and Sandusky were close friends is absurd. I lived in State College and it was pretty well known that they didn't really care for each other. When Sandusky retired Paterno didn't bother to show up to his retirement dinner. Paterno only talked with Sandusky one time after he had retired.
The above statement sounds like Joe Pa knew what was happening and forced Sandusky into retirement. Paterno didn't want to hang around Sandusky after learning about the abuse.
Ever been around a high school football program where the head coach knows everything going on at school because people in the town always let the head coach know? Joe Pa was at the small town State College for what, 50 years? I can promise you that there was nothing going on at that campus that he didn't know about.
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