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Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:30 pm to DallasTiger45
Machados home/road splits were nearly identical in 2016 and have gotten better each year. His numbers are weighed down by his first 2 years as 20-21yr old. Arrenado has been consistently weaker on the road
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:33 pm to CLTiger
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Should have won it last year
Lol no
quote:
Aside from Homeruns he leads every single hitting category there is.
I'm going to just assume you've never watched a non Astros baseball game in your life.
He literally did not lead baseball in any single hitting category except total hits. 3rd in average, 8th in OBP, 20th in SLG, 60th in isolated power, 8th in WRC+, 7th in OPS+. Absolutely amazing stats for a second baseman. But you're delusional if you think he led baseball in every single hitting category besides HRs.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:35 pm to The Seaward
Very false. Same amount of stolen bases. Altuve has 5 less homeruns. Trout should be leading this significantly given the fact hes a power hitter. Trout only has 4 rbi's more. Altuve blows him away in Avg.
There definitely is an arguement.
There definitely is an arguement.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:40 pm to The Seaward
quote:
and I think a case could be made for him in the top 10.
If he were on any other team he'd be Todd Frazier with a better glove
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:41 pm to CLTiger
quote:and trout has an ISO that is .4 higher. That is a lot
Trout should be leading this significantly given the fact hes a power hitter.
quote:this would matter until you realize that Mike trout still gets on base more than altuve does, again at a decent amount, while hitting for more power
Altuve blows him away in Avg.
quote:there really isn't. Altuve is a great player, but trout will probably go down as the GOAT. It is what it is
There definitely is an arguement
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:42 pm to CLTiger
Trout had a higher OBP, higher Slugging, a much higher wrc+, and was a better defender. He hands down was better than Altuve.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:44 pm to WestCoastAg
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this would matter until you realize that Mike trout still gets on base more than altuve does, again at a decent amount, while hitting for more power
Intentional Walks has skewed this stat in his favor.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:47 pm to CLTiger
Trout had 12 IBB last season. Altuve had 11. Please stop.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:47 pm to CLTiger
quote:he was intentionally walked 12 times, altuve was intentionally walked 11 times
Intentional Walks has skewed this stat in his favor
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:48 pm to CLTiger
2016 Intentional Walks
Trout:12
Altuve:11
Trout:12
Altuve:11
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:49 pm to devils1854
Saying altuve isn't as good as Trout isn't a slight. Once again, it's just that trout will probably go down as the greatest player in the history of the game. It just is what it is
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:50 pm to CLTiger
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Very false. Same amount of stolen bases. Altuve has 5 less homeruns. Trout should be leading this significantly given the fact hes a power hitter. Trout only has 4 rbi's more. Altuve blows him away in Avg. There definitely is an arguement.
By far the two most important things for a hitter to do are: get on base and hit for power. Trout was significantly better at both last year.
As for baserunning, stolen bases isn't it the only part of it. Trout made less outs on the bases last year and was more successful at taking the extra base on base hits.
Basically if you look at any stats created after the 1880s, Trout was clearly better.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:52 pm to WestCoastAg
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WestCoastAg
I'm not responding to YOU specifically... just responding to the most current post in this thread...
This thread certainly has it's fair share of ups-and-downs on the dumbass-o-meter.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:53 pm to devils1854
Avg:
Trout-.315
Altuve-.338
OBP:
Trout-.441
Altuve-.396
SLG:
Trout-.550
Altuve-.531
ISO:
trout-.235
Altuve-.194
BB%:
Trout-17.0%
Altuve-8.4%
wOBA:
Trout:.418
Altuve-.391
wRC+:
Trout:171
Altuve:150
BsR(Base Running Runs Above Average):
Trout:9.3
Altuve:0.2
Defensive Runs Saved:
Trout:6
Altuve:-2
fWAR:
Trout-9.4
Altuve:6.7
Trout-.315
Altuve-.338
OBP:
Trout-.441
Altuve-.396
SLG:
Trout-.550
Altuve-.531
ISO:
trout-.235
Altuve-.194
BB%:
Trout-17.0%
Altuve-8.4%
wOBA:
Trout:.418
Altuve-.391
wRC+:
Trout:171
Altuve:150
BsR(Base Running Runs Above Average):
Trout:9.3
Altuve:0.2
Defensive Runs Saved:
Trout:6
Altuve:-2
fWAR:
Trout-9.4
Altuve:6.7
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:55 pm to devils1854
Spinoff: Can somebody tell me how in the world Danny Espinosa tied for 7th in baseball in intentional walk? (He had 12, same as Trout)
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:57 pm to 1ranter1
Didnt he hit 8th for the Nats for most of the year? If so, that could explain him walking to get to the pitcher.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:58 pm to 1ranter1
quote:
Spinoff: Can somebody tell me how in the world Danny Espinosa tied for 7th in baseball in intentional walk? (He had 12, same as Trout)
He was far better than most NL 8 hole hitters, so more incentive to walk him to get to the pitcher.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:10 pm to Lester Earl
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If he were on any other team he'd be Todd Frazier with a better glove
Todd Frazier has had a full season OPS over .800 ONCE in his career (.807 in 2015). This is while playing in some pretty good parks for hitting in Cincy and Chicago.
Both of Arenado's full seasons he's posted a road OPS of over .830.
BTW, Todd Frazier with a better glove would be a pretty good player in his own right. Not sure that's the knock you intended it to be.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:19 pm to sms151t
How is Harper 9?
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