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re: Miami Heat for next season
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:54 pm to jturn17
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:54 pm to jturn17
I'm with you man. People SERIOUSLY undervalue bosh. He has the best mid-range game of a pf\center and he is long and athletic and helps unclog the lane for Lebron and Wade. If Bosh wasn't on the Heat he would easily be worth a max contract.
Trading for Pau would be dumb. He is basically a less athletic and older version of Bosh. He can't run the floor and he is soft as shite.
The smartest move, from a strictly team only stand point, would be to get rid of wade and get a good center and a good defender\3 point shooter to take his place at the 2. That on the other hand would NEVER happen. The Heat would never disrespect Wade like that and it would also lead to the team crumbling and Lebron leaving anyways.
Trading for Pau would be dumb. He is basically a less athletic and older version of Bosh. He can't run the floor and he is soft as shite.
The smartest move, from a strictly team only stand point, would be to get rid of wade and get a good center and a good defender\3 point shooter to take his place at the 2. That on the other hand would NEVER happen. The Heat would never disrespect Wade like that and it would also lead to the team crumbling and Lebron leaving anyways.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:56 pm to jturn17
I know they're underpaid, but that's the price of bringing three superstars together and trying to work for a title. If they were in it for the money they would never have come to South Beach together.
Hence, market notwithstanding, I don't see why it would be unreasonable to try to talk them into taking a pay cut for flexibility in signing better role players to keep their title streak going. I could see it being a nonstarter due to the impact on negotiations elsewhere.
But again, this is irrelevant for next season, since all of the Big 3 are locked in through 13/14.
I'm kinda liking the retire Mike Miller, sign a big guy plan.
Hence, market notwithstanding, I don't see why it would be unreasonable to try to talk them into taking a pay cut for flexibility in signing better role players to keep their title streak going. I could see it being a nonstarter due to the impact on negotiations elsewhere.
But again, this is irrelevant for next season, since all of the Big 3 are locked in through 13/14.
I'm kinda liking the retire Mike Miller, sign a big guy plan.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:59 pm to lsutothetop
quote:I really just meant in general because of the max contracts. On a real open market, LeBron would be getting 30-40m a year, maybe more. But instead he's "only" getting 17m, and the max would be like 19m. Both LeBron and Bosh are max players. Not fair to say Bosh is overpaid because he makes as much as LeBron.
I know they're underpaid, but that's the price of bringing three superstars together and trying to work for a title. If they were in it for the money they would never have come to South Beach together.
quote:Why? Mike Miller coming off the books doesn't give them anymore cap flexibility. Regardless of what Mike Miller does they only can offer $3m to someone.
I'm kinda liking the retire Mike Miller, sign a big guy plan.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:00 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Getting rid of wade in miami would be like cutting Brees on NOLA. It will not ever happen.
I know and completely agree. I'm just saying that if I were told to pick between the two, I'd get rid of Wade. I think that he becomes an issue on the floor with Lebron in the lineup. The ball should move through Lebron on every possession, and Wade puts a damper on that. Honestly, I think Lebron will leave Miami sooner than later, which would make me happy because I'm not much of a Heat fan, making this a moot point.
Bosh does need to take a small cut, but he is extremely valuable to the team in what he can do when he isn't having emotional problems. Like another poster said, Bosh isn't really overpaid as much as Lebron is ridiculously underpaid. Lebron even said himself that it wasn't worth making a fuss over because with the rules he could never be paid his value and still have good people around him, which is absolutely true.
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I know they're underpaid, but that's the price of bringing three superstars together and trying to work for a title. If they were in it for the money they would never have come to South Beach together.
This is the biggest reason I don't get the vicious hate for the Heat and Lebron especially. They all took paycuts to win titles. Isn't that what people want star athletes to do?
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:02 pm to Dijkstra
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Lebron even said himself that it wasn't worth making a fuss over because with the rules he could never be paid his value and still have good people around him, which is absolutely true.
If only Flacco would have thought about this before he decided to be a selfish little shite. Amirite?!
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:09 pm to boXerrumble
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I hope they make opening night Bulls @ Heat.
I wanna see DRose destroy that bitch.
Like Chalmers cares.
Beat Rose's team for the NCAA Title. Remember that big shot? I do.
Beat Rose's team in the ECF.
Chalmers has two rings.
Say what you want, but Chalmers shows up when he needs to. Dude is a winner.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:12 pm to jturn17
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I really just meant in general because of the max contracts. On a real open market, LeBron would be getting 30-40m a year, maybe more. But instead he's "only" getting 17m, and the max would be like 19m. Both LeBron and Bosh are max players. Not fair to say Bosh is overpaid because he makes as much as LeBron.
I follow what you're saying here, but the same thing is going to apply; the max contract rules just make the result look ostensibly less ridiculous. James would be pulling at least $30M, almost certainly more; Wade and Bosh would be at least current-max-deal guys as well. They all had to take a big pay cut to make this work.
You're right though, I shouldn't have said Bosh is overpaid just by comparing him to LeBron. I was trying to compare to other Heat players because Bosh's price is already going to be distorted due to the pay cut, but the distortion makes my argument more flawed instead of less (that is, Bosh should be paid more compared to other bigs, not less).
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Why? Mike Miller coming off the books doesn't give them anymore cap flexibility. Regardless of what Mike Miller does they only can offer $3m to someone.
It's more for tax relief. They can't do anything to get cap flexibility unless they trade one of the Big 3, which is a nonstarter. Swapping Mike Miller for a $3M big man saves a little cash and gives them a better interior defender in exchange for one shooter in their stable of 3-pt guys.
Of course, I guess they could just resign the Birdman and try to keep the same squad together for next year, and then worry about this stuff for 14/15.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:16 pm to lsutothetop
Well I'm not in the business of saving a billionaire a few million. So I hope Mike Miller stays around. Also, something to watch for is Ray Allen retiring. I don't think he will, but he said he's going to think about it over the off-season.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:19 pm to SabiDojo
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Say what you want, but Chalmers shows up when he needs to. Dude is a winner.
When you have guys like LBJ and Wade on your team its hard to really stand out. I like Rio!
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:23 pm to Old Money
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Rio!
He makes the best of plays, he makes the worst of plays.
He did come up with some crucial huge buckets in the playoffs when everyone else on the offensive side looked completely lost.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:23 pm to jturn17
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Well I'm not in the business of saving a billionaire a few million. So I hope Mike Miller stays around. Also, something to watch for is Ray Allen retiring. I don't think he will, but he said he's going to think about it over the off-season.
I could say Ray Allen retiring because it's on a high note.. Just won a championship and hit one of the most memorable shots in NBA history.
Saying that though Ray Allen is in GREAT shape and could easily play for the Heat a couple more years. I don't think he will retire but I could see a reason for it.. I suppose
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:25 pm to Old Money
Im convinced bosh needs to stay.lol
He doesn't mind his role and has his moments
He doesn't mind his role and has his moments
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:25 pm to tigerpimpbot
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He makes the best of plays, he makes the worst of plays.
When he's hot I love watching him play. He can be very underrated which really helps him out. I want him to step up though and take more control.
Pretty cool how he's from Alaska.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:28 pm to WHATDOINO
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Im convinced bosh needs to stay.lol
Personally, I think Bosh should try different scenery. I personally think his talent is being wasted in Miami.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:29 pm to Old Money
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When he's hot I love watching him play. He can be very underrated which really helps him out. I want him to step up though and take more control.
It makes me how hard they fricking still get on him like he's a rookie. Bosh wade and bron just screaming at him. And yet, like you said, he has times when he is completely on fire and makes some sick plays/shots. That 35 footer at the buzzer at half time was money.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:30 pm to SabiDojo
Obviously he could do better on any other team, but he wouldn't win championships. He wants to win championships bruh and the heat benefit from him staying obviously! Saying that, he will probably be gone after they 3 peat next year.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:31 pm to SabiDojo
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Personally, I think Bosh should try different scenery. I personally think his talent is being wasted in Miami.
$17 mil per and winning rings? I'm pretty sure he won't leave willingly.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:34 pm to tigerpimpbot
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It makes me how hard they fricking still get on him like he's a rookie. Bosh wade and bron just screaming at him. And yet, like you said, he has times when he is completely on fire and makes some sick plays/shots. That 35 footer at the buzzer at half time was money.
That was awesome
. Bron and Wade will just give him shite for something he did and then rub his head like he's a little kid. It's hilarious.
About Bosh... I mean he really does make some clutch plays. I would be afraid to get rid of him for someone else.
And he is living in Miami with all that cash he's getting paid
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:34 pm to tigerpimpbot
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It makes me how hard they fricking still get on him like he's a rookie. Bosh wade and bron just screaming at him. And yet, like you said, he has times when he is completely on fire and makes some sick plays/shots. That 35 footer at the buzzer at half time was money.
I've heard them talk about Rio and how he is a bit crazy. like he thinks he is the best player on the team and his confidence is through the roof at all times.
Probably why he is fearless and can go off for 20+ and get hot, but at the same time can make ridiculous dumb careless plays at the same time.
Fun player to watch, but a bit frustrating at times. I'll take it though, the good and bad.
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