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re: Miami Heat for next season
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:36 pm to boXerrumble
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:36 pm to boXerrumble
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I wanna see DRose, the bitch.
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Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:36 pm to jturn17
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Greg Oden on a veteran minimum deal.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:38 pm to WHATDOINO
quote:I don't know why the Spurs would dump him anyway. The Spurs are far more interesting to talk about FA wise. If Manu retires, they'll be able to offer someone nearly a max deal. So they could theoretically sign Iggy or Josh Smith to play with that group. I'm much more interested to see what they do.
Splitter is at 3.9 per right now. Think that could happen or the spurs going to lock hin up?
Just saw yalls answers. Guess thats out
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:38 pm to Na Mean
Or just heard a great idea...
Bosh for Pau Gasol. I think they would be even better
Bosh for Pau Gasol. I think they would be even better
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:39 pm to WHATDOINO
quote:Awful idea. Pau is 3 years older than Bosh. If you're trying to build a team for LeBron to want to stick with, why make it older?
Bosh for Pau Gasol. I think they would be even better
Edit: it's not terrible basketball wise, but it's a very short term change. When they need to be thinking long-term.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:40 pm to WHATDOINO
Can they do anything about Bosh's contract? He's worth keeping on the team but ridiculously overpaid for his performance. The Heat's Big 3 is really more like 1.5 -- LeBron, and Dwyane on his good days
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:40 pm to WHATDOINO
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Splitter is at 3.9 per right now. Think that could happen or the spurs going to lock hin up?
I'm not sure the Spurs even decide to lock him up. Speculation now is he will be able to get $8M and possibly as high as $10M is a couple of teams get into a bidding war. Spurs may not be willing to go $8M on him.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:42 pm to WHATDOINO
I wish we could get Hibbert
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:42 pm to lsutothetop
quote:This makes me sad, but I'm not going to waste anymore of my time trying to explain Bosh's value to the Heat on this board. The 3 Finals and 2 Championships should say enough honestly.
Bosh is ridiculously overpaid for his performance
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:42 pm to lsutothetop
quote:not if he stays on the team
Can they do anything about Bosh's contract? He's worth keeping on the team but ridiculously overpaid for his performance
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:43 pm to jturn17
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The Spurs are far more interesting to talk about FA wise. If Manu retires, they'll be able to offer someone nearly a max deal. So they could theoretically sign Iggy or Josh Smith to play with that group. I'm much more interested to see what they do.
Would be VERY interesting. Spurs proved they can give the Heat all they want this year. A big FA acquisition and Spurs/Heat Round 2 probably happens.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:44 pm to lsutothetop
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Can they do anything about Bosh's contract? He's worth keeping on the team but ridiculously overpaid for his performance. The Heat's Big 3 is really more like 1.5 -- LeBron, and Dwyane on his good days
Honestly, it's not even 1.5 to me. Wade was a hell of a player and still has the ability to go apeshit, but he is going to be a player that crashes when it goes downhill. I'd keep Bosh and get rid of Wade. Wade is a problem for the Heat because he is a star, but he's just not Lebron. Bosh is alright with being a role player. Dwayne Wade can and will decide to take over, and when this happens, he is a problem for the Heat.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:45 pm to jturn17
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This makes me sad, but I'm not going to waste anymore of my time trying to explain Bosh's value to the Heat on this board. The 3 Finals and 2 Championships should say enough honestly.
Yeah, he spaces the floor and runs it better than almost any big man in the league. He is a good defender that fits the Heats defensive style with his long arms and quickness and he runs the court well.
Bosh is going nowhere and is a critical part of the Heat's success.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:45 pm to jturn17
But pau is a bigger body and you could dump some salary from bosh's overpriced arse
But in the other hand, its hard to break up success on the court
But in the other hand, its hard to break up success on the court
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:45 pm to jturn17
team stats tho 
I know he's been a really good contributor for the Heat during his time in Miami but you don't think it'd be worth trying to work him back down even to $15M? I'm not talking about league minimum'ing the guy
but he's paid the same as LeBron and Wade and I think it's a safe statement to say that he hasn't been as good for the Heat as they have.
I know he's been a really good contributor for the Heat during his time in Miami but you don't think it'd be worth trying to work him back down even to $15M? I'm not talking about league minimum'ing the guy
but he's paid the same as LeBron and Wade and I think it's a safe statement to say that he hasn't been as good for the Heat as they have.Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:47 pm to Dijkstra
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I'd keep Bosh and get rid of Wade.
No. Wade is the most popular guy in South Florida since Marino. Fans would lose their shite.
Also, the last two titles probably don't happen without Wade. I know the plus/minus with him and LeBron on the court at the same time, but Wade has come through over and over and over when he is needed most.
Not just the playoffs.
That 27 game win streak? Wade averaged 24+ points, 6 boards, and 4 assists during it. When he tweaked his knee, the streak ended.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:49 pm to WHATDOINO
Pau cannot defend, rebound or run the court like Bosh. He would not fit defensively with Miami's pirahana aggresive switching defense.
So you have a similar outside shooter to space the court on offense, but give up defense and running the court well. Won't happen.
So you have a similar outside shooter to space the court on offense, but give up defense and running the court well. Won't happen.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:52 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Getting rid of Bosh is a non-starter. Let's be clear about that. He's an integral part of the Heat's success and their defensive abilities, and he needs to stay.
The reality of the cap situation, though, is that they just don't have any flexibility for next year. We talk about guys like Elton Brand or Greg Oden taking a vet minimum to get a ring -- is it plausible for the Big 3 to take a pay cut? I know that will affect negotiations for the rest of the league, but frankly, if they're really in it to win championships, you'd think the difference between $15M and $20M wouldn't be hard to overlook.
ETA: Although looking at the salary data, there's nothing to be done to renegotiate their salaries until after next year anyway. So I guess it's really just gonna be juggling the support cast and finding someone else willing to come in for a 1-year deal with the promise of possible better pay after that.
The reality of the cap situation, though, is that they just don't have any flexibility for next year. We talk about guys like Elton Brand or Greg Oden taking a vet minimum to get a ring -- is it plausible for the Big 3 to take a pay cut? I know that will affect negotiations for the rest of the league, but frankly, if they're really in it to win championships, you'd think the difference between $15M and $20M wouldn't be hard to overlook.
ETA: Although looking at the salary data, there's nothing to be done to renegotiate their salaries until after next year anyway. So I guess it's really just gonna be juggling the support cast and finding someone else willing to come in for a 1-year deal with the promise of possible better pay after that.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:53 pm to lsutothetop
quote:This isn't the right way to think about it. LeBron is criminally underpaid, but they took discounts compared to the max. And the max already artificially lowers the top players' deals. Bosh is underpaid relative to equal value players.
but he's paid the same as LeBron and Wade and I think it's a safe statement to say that he hasn't been as good for the Heat as they have.
Bosh made 17m this season.
He's way better than Josh Smith who made 13m, Joe Johnson, Amare, Tyson Chandler who made nearly 14m, Pau who made 20m..
He's a Top 25 players in the NBA regardless if people want to accept it. Yes, his numbers are down, but that doesn't take away his skill level. And definitely doesn't take away his defense or his unique skill set. Both of which are valuable to the Heat and perfect to play along with LeBron.
Having Bosh allows them to play LeBron down low and Bosh on the perimeter and get the defense inverted, which is a look they don't get from most teams. He's worth every penny the Heat pay him.
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quote:I think they do after next season, but nobody knows what will happen. There are things they can do to make it work. Next year they're paying like $110m including tax penalties, which is still manageable for a team that's making the Finals every year. People need to remember too they're paying some big money to people to sit on the bench. They could try to dump salary that way before trading a core member of the roster. But that's all for next year.
is it plausible for the Big 3 to take a pay cut?
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 6:53 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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No. Wade is the most popular guy in South Florida since Marino. Fans would lose their shite.
Getting rid of wade in miami would be like cutting Brees on NOLA. It will not ever happen.
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