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re: LHSAA basketball officials have voted for an immediate work stoppage
Posted on 1/31/11 at 6:36 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 1/31/11 at 6:36 pm to chalmetteowl
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the principals robbed the kids of their season if this happens... no reason why the refs shouldn't get the national average...
it should have came up a much more convenient time than in the middle of the season. referees fault for the dropping the ball on that.
ETA: halfway through district play, at that.
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 6:38 pm
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 6:39 pm to BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 6:39 pm to msutiger
Uhigh/Episcopal
Posted on 1/31/11 at 6:41 pm to BayouBengals03
Uhigh-Episcopal Varsity game is back on. No JV game.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 6:48 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:link? something?
Just got the news that the games are back on.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:00 pm to lsu7171
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hey jj27 jj27 aka tommy banks.
Tommy's on here, but I'm not him.
quote:
how many bad penaltues did wm have in championship game to lose the championship?
Big fat ZERO. Acadiana wanted it more and they earned the victory.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:01 pm to southernelite
quote:It came up a while back. The principals ignored it and voted against the raise. If it came up at the beginning of next season, the entire season likely would have been lost since the principals wouldn't meet until late January.
it should have came up a much more convenient time than in the middle of the season. referees fault for the dropping the ball on that.
This is the best time for the officials to have made themselves unavailable. Right after the "nay" vote, and three weeks before the playoffs. The ball is in the principals' court. We'll see how much they care about the kids; hopefully they care enough to pay more than the national low for basketball.
Also, as a matter of theory, it is never the service-provider's fault for refusing to work for less than the demanded fee. Here's a simple time-line of how this went down:
Principals: We'll give you $31/game.
Officials: Sounds good, but you have to give us $39/game starting next year.
Principals: That's too much.
Officials: You'll have to find someone else to work for that fee, then.
If you want something, you have to pay for it. If you don't want to pay the asking price, you risk not getting what you want.
If the principals are dead-set on keeping it at $31/game, not only are they going to have to find people who are willing to work for that fee, but they'll also have to make sure that those willing will be properly trained. It will end up either a) costing them more money, b) decreasing the quality of officiating even further, or c) both.
$39/game is very reasonable; it is irresponsible for the principals to have failed to realize that.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:03 pm to JJ27
quote:Actually, Acadiana should have been called for an illegal snap on almost every play.
Big fat ZERO. Acadiana wanted it more and they earned the victory.
But, since Shows knew that AHS was getting away with this all season, shame on him for not realizing and adapting. I don't think WMHS has any right to complain about anyone finding loopholes through rules.
All in all, AHS won fair enough and square enough.
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:07 pm to xiv
$60-$120 a night isn't sufficient? That's roughly $15 dollars an hour. If they ref two 4 game sets a week, that's nearly $250 extra dollars a week, $1000 a month. That's roughly $3-4k extra per basketball season a year, and they want more?
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:09 pm to southernelite
quote:Nope.
$60-$120 a night isn't sufficient?
quote:Yep.
That's roughly $3-4k extra per basketball season a year, and they want more?
The principals are learning the hard way right now that that's very reasonable. They'll be hard-pressed to make sure that qualified officials will work for $31/game.
Being an official involves a lot more than just officiating games. Once you're qualified, you have to do a lot of things to stay qualified. For $31/game, not a whole lot of people are interested in staying qualified.
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:13 pm to xiv
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The principals are learning the hard way right now that that's very reasonable. They'll be hard-pressed to make sure that qualified officials will work for $31/game.
What about some of these Class C schools that have very low attendance and no concessions? They are probably barely getting by, and that's $24 dollars a game, 100 a night, 800 a month, and about 2400 for the season, they are going to have to make huge sacrifices.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:14 pm to southernelite
quote:Whose problem is that?
What about some of these Class C schools that have very low attendance and no concessions? They are probably barely getting by, and that's $24 dollars a game, 100 a night, 800 a month, and about 2400 for the season, they are going to have to make huge sacrifices.
I know whose problem it isn't.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:17 pm to xiv
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I know whose problem it isn't.
It sure as hell isn't the kids fault, it isn't the coaches fault, it isn't the principals fault....not saying it should be on the officials, but I'm just saying, you have to look for everyone's best interest, and the official's are the ones that need to suck it up, do it for the kids, and then resolve the issue during the off-season. Like I said, in the middle of district play is not the time for this shite to be coming up.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:18 pm to xiv
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I know a football ref, and he called me the next day saying that the white hat in charge of that game is notorious for this kind of stuff, and that he'd outdone himself this time.
Notorious for what kind of stuff, specifically?
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:20 pm to southernelite
quote:Correct.
It sure as hell isn't the kids fault
quote:Correct.
it isn't the coaches fault
quote:Incorrect. They are unwilling to pay a reasonable fee for a service provided.
it isn't the principals fault
But that's beside the point; I said "problem," not "fault." It is the kids', coaches', and principals' problem. If an official is unavailable to work, it isn't his problem if a replacement cannot be found.
quote:The principals do not meet to vote on these things in the basketball offseason; they do this in the football offseason.
you have to look for everyone's best interest, and the official's are the ones that need to suck it up, do it for the kids, and then resolve the issue during the off-season
quote:The time for this to come up is as soon after the principals' meeting as possible. That happens to be today. If the principals don't want this to happen during basketball season, they should meet in April.
Like I said, in the middle of district play is not the time for this shite to be coming up.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:21 pm to 62zip
quote:Beaucoup de flags, often with conspicuously high imbalances per team.
Notorious for what kind of stuff, specifically?
29 penalties is higher than any total I've ever heard; it's also higher than the official I know has ever heard. With a team as relatively high-skilled as West Monroe, it is farfetched to assume that they would all of a sudden commit five times as many penalties as they are usually called.
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:36 pm to xiv
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Beaucoup de flags, often with conspicuously high imbalances per team.
29 penalties is higher than any total I've ever heard; it's also higher than the official I know has ever heard. With a team as relatively high-skilled as West Monroe, it is farfetched to assume that they would all of a sudden commit five times as many penalties as they are usually called.
That's interesting. Who is the official who told you that and what association does he work in?
Since we are talking about this whitehat being notorious for throwing "beaucoup de flags" tell me, how many of the flags in question did he himself throw and how many were thrown by other members of the crew?
since this scenario is apparently far fetched, are you saying that he was cheating?
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:38 pm to 62zip
quote:No. I suspect he and his crew are just not that good.
since this scenario is apparently far fetched, are you saying that he was cheating?
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:41 pm to xiv
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Being an official involves a lot more than just officiating games. Once you're qualified, you have to do a lot of things to stay qualified. For $31/game, not a whole lot of people are interested in staying qualified
I can't really speak for basketball, but I can speak for football and I can tell you that it breaks down pretty similar to this:
Granted, this is not every single season, but at a minimum every other season it breaks down like this:
My total expense (conservative estimate) for a regular season (10 games) is about $580. My game fees for those same 10 games total $750.
The net on that deal is $170. That comes out to $17 per game. On average between travel to and from the game, pre-game conference and the game itself we will spend about 5.5 hours. that comes out to $3.09 per hour and that is just game day. If you figure in rules study, conditioning, and our weekly meeting we'll say conservatively another 10 hours.
$17 divided by 15.5 comes out to about $1.10 per hour. And of course that excludes hundreds of off-season hours.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 7:42 pm to xiv
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No. I suspect he and his crew are just not that good
You apparently missed my other questions.
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