Lebron did this to himself.

First rate post chap.

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Not building the Cavs into a contender like Jordan did with the Bulls and Stockton and Malone did with the Jazz.

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The Jazz were a team that was good enough to make the finals but not good enough to beat the team they faced, just like this Cavs team.

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Stockton and Malone did with the Jazz.

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so many titles won from them building this team

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Not building the Cavs into a contender like Jordan did with the Bulls

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Jordan built the Bulls? Now he's getting credit for stuff he didn't even do.

How much longer does he have in his career? 7 years or so? Starting to look forward to that at this point due to this shite, which is kind of unfortunate since he's an all time great.

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Yup, when do the excuses end? If you have to make excuses for 1 or 2 players then don't keep trying to build this big 3.

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When his "big 3" was injured? I'm not sure what you guys want to happen. Lebron lost. He also had an incredible series. You can ignore the stats all you want, but Lebron averaged nearly a triple-double over the series playing 46 minutes a game. The two guys on his team who everyone agreed needed to play well for them to have any chance (Shump and JR) shot an amazing .256 and .311 from the field. JR went 15-51 from 3. He shot and missed more 3s than the amount of shots taken overall by almost every single Cav outside of Lebron. These aren't excuses. They're facts.

It blows my mind how the narrative has gone from "Golden State is going to stomp them!" to "Lebron chokes again and everyone's making excuses!" No rational human expects everyone to like Lebron or want him to succeed, but the amount of retarded shite that people spew when this dude loses is unparalleled.

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Not building the Cavs into a contender like Jordan did with the Bulls and Stockton and Malone did with the Jazz.

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Id like to point out that the Cavs are the definition of a contender, and that you are stupid.

I think your overall point is spot on and it's essentially what I have been saying.

The dude has nothing to be ashamed of regarding the 2015 NBA Finals. He busted his arse and never once quit despite being outmatched. He played like an all-time great. But I agree with you that he left Cleveland the first time to win championships, then lost in the Finals vs Dallas and acted like it was no big deal. He has done much better since then, but you are right that the narrative changes based on the circumstances with him. He said that he just wanted to win championships and that nothing else matters. Then after winning ONE he started with the talk about wanting to be the best ever, and that is something every player should want but saying it is a different story. Now, he's back to saying he's the best player in the world and stuff like that. I think he's a smart guy but some of this stuff he brings on himself.

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Now, several years later, everyone wants to create metrics and look at statistics to decide if he is the best player in history. That is necessary at this point.

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Creating metrics and looking at statistics? You mean these numbers that are able to quantify someone's contribution to the game? I'm forgot that the "Eyeball Test" and using one's own individual opinions on a player's "intangibles" and "killer instinct" were the accepted method of judging performance.

I'm not even sure if you understand why Lebron is in Cleveland to begin with. He brought in players to build a contender. He went back and took the third worst supporting cast in Finals history to Game 6. So, when his plan to build a contender failed, he just made them a contender on his own. Regardless, the Cavs were very much a contender, and it was 100% because of Lebron.

I genuinely think that a lot of you truly believe that by admitting that Lebron is a great player and had a great series, it somehow invalidates your commitment to some other player who you idolize. Every argument is the same bullshite about rings, and yet, when Lebron goes after rings he's a bitch for "wanting to win rings now". He goes back to Cleveland, he's still a choke artist for not winning regardless of his cast. It's impossible for him to come out on top outside of literally winning every game.

I'm glad the Finals are over so this can all blow over. I'm not even a Cavs fan, and I honestly don't give two shits that Golden State won the title. I just don't understand how people can be so ridiculously against an athlete in every way. The fact that some of you are out in the world operating heavy machinery and driving cars terrifies me.