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re: Joe Pa's legacy
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:38 pm to TH03
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:38 pm to TH03
I'm not absolving him morally. But if you condem Paterno then the VP he told who was head of security should get same outcry. As it was his job to report it to police. And technically Paterno did notify the police, but let's not let facts cloud our revision of him.
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Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:39 pm to sms151t
Campus police. Come on, this isn't the same.
I believe everyone who knew should go down, but this isn't a thread for the vp so I didn't bring it up.
I believe everyone who knew should go down, but this isn't a thread for the vp so I didn't bring it up.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:41 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Just think of the most dumbed down version of what McQueary told Joe Pa.
"Sandusky was fooling around with a kid."
Even that is enough to follow up, but Joe Pa didn't.
"Sandusky was fooling around with a kid."
Even that is enough to follow up, but Joe Pa didn't.
This post was edited on 6/23/12 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:45 pm to Sophandros
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He allowed Sandusky to use the facilities after that incident.
this is what bothers me. To allow the guy to still hang around the university with kids no less is sickening.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:51 pm to Sophandros
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C'mon. Look at Sandusky's "retirement". JoePa knew what was going on and was covering it up for years.
This .
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June 1, 1998: State Department of Public Welfare investigator and the university police detective interview Mr. Sandusky. The Centre County district attorney decides not to press charges in the case. Mr. Sandusky said he would not shower with children again.
May 1999: Head football coach Joe Paterno tells Mr. Sandusky he will not be the next head coach at PSU.
June 1999: Mr. Sandusky retires from Penn State.
March 2001: Then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary reports to Penn State officials that he witnessed Mr. Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy in a Penn State locker room shower. Officials take away Mr. Sandusky's keys to the locker room.
Were not talking about the Joe Pa that was fired last year. IMO, during the above time span he was the most powerful person at Penn St, and the AD and President did whatever Joe wanted. He knew what was going on and either didn't want to believe it, or didn't want his/PSU's reputation tarnished. So Joe just let Sandusky continue to use the athletic facilities to impress young boys and arse rape them.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:59 pm to TH03
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Campus police. Come on, this isn't the same.
I believe everyone who knew should go down, but this isn't a thread for the vp so I didn't bring it up.
Serious question. How old are you???
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:04 pm to dukke v
23 why
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:09 pm to TH03
Well You have ZERO clue about Joe pa's legacy. He was a GREAT GREAT COACH. I have been watching him since 1966. Penn State had some GREAT teams over the years, and I would have NEVER thought that he would NOT do the right thing here.
Bottom Line is I like ya as a poster, BUT please do not judge what may have happened over 40 years ago. Right now?? Different story though. I am DISGUSTED by this whole thing. It makes me want to puke just thinking about how something like this could happen at A place that MOST thought was just Blue and White Unis and plain helmets. Ok VENT OVER.
Bottom Line is I like ya as a poster, BUT please do not judge what may have happened over 40 years ago. Right now?? Different story though. I am DISGUSTED by this whole thing. It makes me want to puke just thinking about how something like this could happen at A place that MOST thought was just Blue and White Unis and plain helmets. Ok VENT OVER.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:13 pm to dukke v
You're right, I didn't personally see those teams live, but I know what he put together and how good of a man he was but the fact is everyone involved out the program above the safety of these kids and that IMO destroys any legacy from before. It puts reasonable doubt into your head of what was really happening and if this "clean" program image is real or just a facade.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:14 pm to dukke v
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Well You have ZERO clue about Joe pa's legacy. He was a GREAT GREAT COACH. I have been watching him since 1966. Penn State had some GREAT teams over the years, and I would have NEVER thought that he would NOT do the right thing here.
Bottom Line is I like ya as a poster, BUT please do not judge what may have happened over 40 years ago. Right now?? Different story though. I am DISGUSTED by this whole thing. It makes me want to puke just thinking about how something like this could happen at A place that MOST thought was just Blue and White Unis and plain helmets. Ok VENT OVER.
Morals trump anything he did as a coach. Everything Joe Pa has touched is tainted now.
The dumbest thing to say about this is "It is a shame Joe Pa's legacy will be ruined over this."
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:25 pm to lsufan251875
Joe Paterno was an evil man and he's burning in hell right now.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:30 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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To many things still unclear for me to judge if Paterno neglected a bad situation(a horrible thing to do) or enabled a monster(deserves to rot in hell) or something in between.
I agree, but most will not.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:32 pm to lsufan251875
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Morals trump anything he did as a coach. Everything Joe Pa has touched is tainted now.
OK. But he was a HELL of a coach through the 60's 70's and 80's . YOU CAN'T take that away from him.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:35 pm to dukke v
Doesnt mean he shouldn't be called a scumbag piece of shite that is justifiably burning in hell
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:37 pm to dukke v
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OK. But he was a HELL of a coach through the 60's 70's and 80's . YOU CAN'T take that away from him.
Hitler was a hell of a public speaker and not a bad leader except for the whole Holocaust thing.
Osama was a pretty good charity type minus the whole jihad...
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:43 pm to TH03
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but the fact is everyone involved out the program above the safety of these kids and that IMO destroys any legacy from before. It puts reasonable doubt into your head of what was really happening and if this "clean" program image is real or just a facade.
and we wonder why people cover stuff like that up. There's no reason to believe this was anything but Sandusky.
I've never been a Paterno fan, he was a great coach, but I felt he was a selfish old man, clinging to his legacy. I would never have dreamed something like this was going on, but there is no evidence that the program was tainted for 40 years and no reason to see Sandusky was anything an isolated problem.
Paterno deserves the scorn and tarnished legacy. I suspect he was in deep denial, burying his head in the sand. He passed it up to his bosses and washed washed his hands over it. Probably because he cared more about his image and the program than anything else. Sad, sad story and ironic that his inaction is what tarnished his legacy.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:55 pm to dukke v
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Morals trump anything he did as a coach. Everything Joe Pa has touched is tainted now.
OK. But he was a HELL of a coach through the 60's 70's and 80's . YOU CAN'T take that away from him.
same goes for Sandusky if we're just talking about football coaching. when Holtz commented on Sandusky as a coach he referred to him as one of the best if not the best coordinator/assistant head coaches of the 20th century
the football and the ethics issues are obviously separate - but we will no longer lionize either man for their football achievements after what we've learned in the last 2 years
Posted on 6/23/12 at 3:06 pm to molsusports
Paterno= great coach /poor excuse for a man.
Thats why you never place any man higher then what he really is. His true colors were revealed. Imagune had none of this had come out. Everyone would be praising him this very minute.
Thats why you never place any man higher then what he really is. His true colors were revealed. Imagune had none of this had come out. Everyone would be praising him this very minute.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 3:15 pm to molsusports
Re Joe Pa's control over the town & university, go back to that period when he was having players arrested right & left, over several yrs, and his response, on a national tv interview was " this is my football team & to me, city & state police have no juridiction over them". He ran that town & university & to say he had no knowledge of the complaints against Sandusky back then is beyond the realm of believabilty. The local press, after he died, came out in several articles mocking that BS. When Sandusky was let go, and he was, Joe Pa released a very generic press statement, as did the athletic department. This for a highly respected coach with yrs & yrs of service to the university & community. BS that Joe Pa did not know anything. A great coach? Yes, of course. But how would you feel bout him if it was one of your sons who was raped & abused in that time period when he knew but did nothing but pass it uphill?
Posted on 6/23/12 at 3:22 pm to EWE TIGER
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Turns out dying was a good career move for Paterno, who we've learned was obsessed with protecting his image as The Last Good Man in college sports, the one purist in a world gone wrong, the CEO of the only clean program in America. But the reality is this: Paterno died a fraud, a coward, an enabler to Sandusky. That's his lasting legacy, and it was forever cemented on Friday night in a courtroom in Bellefonte, Pennsylanvania.
He earned that legacy. He can die with it
frick him
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