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re: Jerricho Cotchery's catch ruled incomplete after review - explanation?

Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:55 am to
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:55 am to
I don't think that's clear.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:55 am to
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Then you are blind. Watch it here. LINK
You're looking at whether it touched the ground as he rolled over.

I think the refs called the fact that the point hits on initial contact with the ground after he'd been bobbling it on the way down.

I think they deemed that a lack of "control"

And the point most certainly DOES hit the ground on initial contact.

That said. I kinda think it should have been called a catch. But, the problem is, to OVERTURN, you need absolute confirmation.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:56 am to
I thought the ball could hit the ground so long as the receiver controlled the ball (had possession) and the ground didn't assist in making the catch.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:56 am to
Judging by this thread it was a good call of the play stands
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:56 am to
I have no idea anymore.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:56 am to
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Then you are blind. Watch it here.


I don't know man. Now that I watch it again...it's close. Like I said before, the play would have stood either way.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:57 am to
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thought the ball could hit the ground so long as the receiver controlled the ball (had possession) and the ground didn't assist in making the catch.




I think that's correct, but the ball becomes dislodged as he goes to the ground, and he has to regain control of it

He pins it against his hip with his elbow after
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 10:58 am
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:57 am to
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I don't think that's clear.

Well then you just made the argument for why the call on the field was not overturned.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:57 am to
The ball touches the ground but that alone doesn't make it an incomplete catch.
Posted by Geauxgurt
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:57 am to
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It did touch the ground but he had his hand under the ball and controlled. It was definitely a catch by any common sense measure.


So we have a Carolina fan admit that the ball hit the ground, but he chooses to ignore the fact the ball moved after it hit the ground.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:58 am to
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I think that's correct, but the ball becomes dislodged as he goes to the ground, and he has to regain control of it



Which I thought he did.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:58 am to
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You can have possession and the ball move also.


Not if the movement comes from hitting the ground. Again, read up on the rules.

The rule about the ball being allowed to hit the ground is if it doesn't aid in the catch, where here it clearly would have.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:58 am to
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Well then you just made the argument for why the call on the field was not overturned.

I never said it should be overturned.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:58 am to
Here come the Aubies to defend their prized turnip.

Was clearly an incompletion by current NFL rules, but even if the rules weren't in place. There wasn't enough evidence to overturn anyway.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:59 am to
Right, but the ball had already bit the ground...and he lost control of it

Once he loses control of it, its no longer a catch

The fact that he had to regain control of it...

He has to maintain control of it.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 11:00 am
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:59 am to
All I know is nobody on this site knows what a catch is any more and people proclaiming to "know" the rules don't have a grip on them either.


I am the first to admit I have no idea anymore.

This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 11:00 am
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10460 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:59 am to
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It looks like it hits the ground to me


They'll claim the shape of a football is different in this picture and the laws of physics doesn't apply.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:59 am to
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The ball touches the ground but that alone doesn't make it an incomplete catch.


I was under the impression that it does. If it hits the ground and moves, it's an incompletion. That's how I understand it anyway.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:59 am to
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but he had his hand under the ball and controlled

What? The only point of contention to argue it was a catch was whether or not the ball hit the ground. It is indisputable that he did not control the ball as evidenced by the fact he shifted it from one arm to the other and ultimately was pinning it to his body with his right elbow. If the ball doesn't hit the ground, it's a catch and no one argues otherwise.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 11:00 am to
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Geauxgurt
Some people are incapable of having a discussion without being a prick. You are one of those people.
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