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re: Jerricho Cotchery's catch ruled incomplete after review - explanation?

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Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
6529 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:52 am to
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on the PI call on Norman in the endzone?


Was that the HOLDING call?
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:52 am to
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let's not enforce the rules because the team you support was affected negatively by applying them.
I am a Saints fan and was pulling for the Broncos.

I don't think the ball touched the ground.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:52 am to
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The rule is that if the ball hits the ground and moves in any way, it is an incomplete pass. It was pretty straight forward.


There wasn't an angle that showed the ball actually hit the ground

I think it did, but his elbow was covering the view.

The ball certainly moved after too, so he didn't have possession
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10457 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:52 am to
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No indisputable video evidence to indicate that the tip of the ball did not touch the ground when he first went down. Had they called it a completion on the field, they would not have overturned it either.


Honestly I was shocked it was called as stands rather than confirmed. The tip of the ball clearly hit the ground.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:52 am to
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Jerricho Cotchery's catch ruled incomplete after review - explanation? by LSU Piston


I kinda thought he caught it.

That said, it has to be decisive to overturn the play call on the field. So, here's what I think the call was.

Everyone looking at the replay focused on whether the ball touches the ground as he rolls over. But, I don't think that was the call.

If you watch the reply, as he INITITIALLY hits the ground, the point of the ball hits the ground too and moves around his body.

I think the call was that he bobbled it as he was falling and that once he had "control" he needed to maintain it as he hit. But, the point hit and the ball moved. Hence, they called no control.

Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:52 am to
You do know the ball can hit the ground? That was changed after the Bucs Rams NFCCG
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38123 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:53 am to
I thought it was a catch...of course, I have no idea what a catch is anymore. I'd have to see it again, but I guess they didn't know if it hit the ground for sure or not. They did say it stood and it wasn't confirmed. Call would have stayed the same if it was ruled a catch at first.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10457 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:53 am to
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I don't think the ball touched the ground.


Then you are blind. Watch it here.

LINK
Posted by RGJ18
Collierville, TN
Member since Feb 2010
8679 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:53 am to
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and it won't go along with the Manning story.

Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:53 am to
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You do know the ball can hit the ground? That was changed after the Bucs Rams NFCCG


But the ball clearly moves... A lot
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17099 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:53 am to
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it hits the ground and then moves in his grip.


His hand is under the ball and I didn't see any view that showed definitively that it hit the ground.

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but hey, let's not enforce the rules because the team you support was affected negatively by applying them.


Couldn't care less about either team.
Posted by nofear67
Houston
Member since Jan 2006
2285 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:54 am to
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No indisputable video evidence to indicate that the tip of the ball did not touch the ground when he first went down. Had they called it a completion on the field, they would not have overturned it either.

There indeed was footage shown on TV where the ball did not touch the ground.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:54 am to
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The tip of the ball clearly hit the ground.
Since you're pretty adamant that the ball clearly hit the ground, let's see some video evidence.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38123 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:54 am to
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Also, what's your opinion on the PI call on Norman in the endzone?


Holding...not PI.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10457 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:54 am to
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I think the call was that he bobbled it as he was falling and that once he had "control" he needed to maintain it as he hit. But, the point hit and the ball moved. Hence, they called no control.


That's what most of us are saying.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30842 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:54 am to
It did touch the ground but he had his hand under the ball and controlled. It was definitely a catch by any common sense measure.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139840 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:54 am to
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The ball certainly moved after too, so he didn't have possession


You can have possession and the ball move also.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10457 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:55 am to
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You do know the ball can hit the ground? That was changed after the Bucs Rams NFCCG


You do know that if it does, it can't move to demonstrate control, right?

Some of you really don't know the rules do you?
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:55 am to
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You do know the ball can hit the ground? That was changed after the Bucs Rams NFCCG

It can hit the ground as long as the receiver maintains complete and continuous control. After it appears the ball hit the ground, it popped out from resting in his left hand and rolled across his chest where he tried to trap it with his right elbow.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:55 am to
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There indeed was footage shown on TV where the ball did not touch the ground.




It looks like it hits the ground to me
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 10:56 am
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