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Posted on 8/6/13 at 11:51 pm to Powerman
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LSU Fan
I think it is hilarious that LSU fans are advocating for free market player likeness, where anyone can pay for autographs or otherwise without regulation.
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The schools like USC, Bama, LSU, Oregon, Ohio State, and shite maybe even Michigan again one day would all dominate...ya know...just like they already are.
Yea... LSU would not be dominating in a free market. It would be just like the MLB, if players could profit off of their likeness. I'm sure Louisiana is just overflowing with money to invest in players, but I imagine there are bigger money markets. There would be a Yankees effect on CFB if investors were allowed to pay for talent.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:00 am to medtiger
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Whoa...hold the frick up. Who says he can't make money off his name? In fact, it seems as though he's done just that. The NCAA isn't telling Manziel he can't make money off his name. They're just saying he can't make money off his name and continue to play NCAA football.
No one put a gun to Manziel's head and forced him to sign a contract saying that he'd abide by the NCAA's rules in exchange for a college scholarship.
Oh, for shite's sake, this is just ridiculous. If Manziel wants a chance at a good contract going into the NFL, he HAS to play college ball. You dolt.
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Whatever happened to making people abide by the contracts they sign?
What freaking world do you live in?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:02 am to lsu xman
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Dude gets free tuition plus room and board. 4yrs of that is worth over $50K. Over 120K at a private school like USC.
Anyone that thinks these kids should get additional money must be mildly retarded.
Again, this is a stupid argument. He gets free room and board and a degree in "sports management". Give me a fricking break. That degree is about as useful as a degree in fricking basket weaving.
And, the players are not given assets that can be liquidated, and that makes a huge difference.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:09 am to SabiDojo
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It's bullshite. You don't want to pay the players? Fine, but they should be able to profit off their own name.
The players knew what they get themselves into when they signed up to play college football.
Furthermore, they can opt out of that agreement any time they want and "profit off their own name"...they just can't play college football after that.
Finally, the opportunity to "profit off their own name" exists in very large part to the platform that playing NCAA football provides. If you think these players would have the ability to profit off their own name without playing NCAA football, you are fooling yourself.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:17 am to moneyg
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The players knew what they get themselves into when they signed up to play college football.
This is irrelevant to my point.
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Furthermore, they can opt out of that agreement any time they want and "profit off their own name"...they just can't play college football after that.
I've already addressed this.
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Finally, the opportunity to "profit off their own name" exists in very large part to the platform that playing NCAA football provides. If you think these players would have the ability to profit off their own name without playing NCAA football, you are fooling yourself.
How is this different from any major sport?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:28 am to SabiDojo
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This is irrelevant to my point.
It is completely relevant.
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I've already addressed this.
...by saying the player needs to play college football. That's not the case. Even if it were the case, that is not the responsibility of the NCAA to address. And, again, the NCAA is not restricting the player in any way except for the ability to play within the NCAA. It is totally reasonable.
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How is this different from any major sport?
The contract that the players sign. The collectively bargained agreement in the NFL allows the players to profit off their own name...and that allowance is priced in to the salary cap.
You are a bleeding heart that can't accept that the players freely choose to enter into this agreement.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:30 am to SabiDojo
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If Manziel wants a chance at a good contract going into the NFL, he HAS to play college ball.
You just made the case that the NCAA brings extreme value to players like Manziel...far beyond the monetary value of the scholarship.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:38 am to moneyg
No, I didn't.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:42 am to moneyg
Whether you freely choose to enter into the agreement is irrelevant.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 1:56 am to saintsfan22
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Those "kids" will have plenty of chances to make money in the pros.
They don't all make the pros.
And by the same token, not all players who are given scholarships bring money into the school. Do you think that Texas A&M's 4th string SS should be paid because Johnny Manziel is popular enough for people to want to pay for his signature and merchandise?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 2:03 am to Powerman
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TV revenue, merchandise, concessions. The same places it has always come from.
Whatever paltry amount that the university might pay players would amount to something negligible in the scheme of things.
Oh and you're forgetting one important thing...we aren't even fricking talking about that. We're talking about players taking it upon themselves to make money of their likeness....not the university paying them.
You're a pretty smart guy. How the frick did you ever come up with the stupid idea that ticket prices would "skyrocket" from this discussion. It's tough to imagine that you could be so fricking terrible at math.
Of the hundreds of colleges that have football programs, only a handful break even from it. Let's say 20 of them do. Mind you that's break even, not profit. Between I-A, I-A, D2,and D3, there are at least 500 schools playing college football. An absolute maximum are 4% are even breaking even on the venture.
So where the hell is this money going to come from? Most schools already charge their non student-athletes a fee for tickets whether it be per game or just a general fee. The universities themselves are eating a lot of these costs. So now you want to pay football players? Cool where's that money going to come from? What about for the other athletes?
You haven't spent a single minute thinking this through.
As for making money off of their likeness, nothing is stopping them from doing so. They just can't play college sports any more. Johnny Manziel wouldn't be Johnny Manziel without college football. College football existed before him and it will exist after him. The game makes the names, not the other way around.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 2:03 am to SG_Geaux
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They don't all make the pros.
So ?
Really?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 2:08 am to SabiDojo
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Oh, for shite's sake, this is just ridiculous. If Manziel wants a chance at a good contract going into the NFL, he HAS to play college ball. You dolt.
Hey if you want to dance then you gotta put your dancing shoes on. You want to play in the NFL, then you do what the NFL wants. The NFL is much bigger than one guy. Always has been and always will be.
Hell I don't like paying taxes, but if I want to earn an income in this nation and keep my arse out of the legal system, I'm going to keep paying them. Don't like it, but hey, I've got my dancing shoes on.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 2:13 am to SabiDojo
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Again, this is a stupid argument. He gets free room and board and a degree in "sports management". Give me a fricking break. That degree is about as useful as a degree in fricking basket weaving.
Those degrees are worth more than you think, but even then, there is nothing stopping any student-athlete from pursuing a degree in a more economically-viable major.
List of things these student athletes get for free:
Tuition
Room
Food
Healthcare
Books
Gym membership (S&S, weight room, etc.)
Clothing
Travel
Stipend
Not to mention they exit college with no debt from college expenses. Can you imagine being able to obtain a high-level degree from Duke or Stanford with no out of pocket costs and no debt? Jesus dude. I should have learned to punt or row or some shite.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 2:15 am to SabiDojo
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Whether you freely choose to enter into the agreement is irrelevant.
Oh so you don't believe in owning up to your word. Personal responsibility means nothing to you.
In other words, you are a worthless POS with shite debate skills. As you were simpleton.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 2:16 am to DURANTULA
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sports management
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Those degrees are worth more than you think
This
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 2:18 am
Posted on 8/7/13 at 2:25 am to SabiDojo
The problem is the NFL not college football. An athlete should not have to go to college or stay in college. He should be able to start making money whenever he has the ability to.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 2:28 am to VerlanderBEAST
The NFL is well within it's rights to have prerequisites for employment, though.
It's like saying it's stupid to be required to attend med school if you're already good enough with a scalpel to be a master surgeon.
It's like saying it's stupid to be required to attend med school if you're already good enough with a scalpel to be a master surgeon.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 2:57 am to TbirdSpur2010
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The NFL is well within it's rights to have prerequisites for employment, though.
Yes and those ridiculous prerequisites are the problem NOT college football players needing to be paid
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 2:58 am
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