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re: James Harden wins The Players' NBA MVP award

Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:48 pm to
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:48 pm to
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I'd have to see who they voted ahead of Kawhi to know for sure. But I think a lot of players realize that a low post defender is the most important thing for a defense


Ehh TA made their list and the two bigs they listed aren't really low post defenders. They are more help side rim protectors.

Warriors aren't able to do what they did defensively without Draymond.

Plus he is a damn good post defender. Guarded AD, Gasol/Zbo, and Dwight in the playoffs
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32681 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:49 pm to
To be fair
quote:

MVP award was suddenly a sham the day Harden didn't win.

is similar to saying that Curry won because he was "likable".

I didn't see a single Rockets' fan say that Curry deserved the award more than Harden.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:52 pm to
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I didn't see a single Rockets' fan say that Curry deserved the award more than Harden.


Did you see one that said Curry was not deserving?

I am pretty sure I remember people around here saying Curry would win because he was more likable than Harden. Those people were not Rockets fans. Actually they made the case why likability matters, lol.
Posted by Captain Fantasy
Member since Mar 2013
1595 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:55 pm to
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I didn't see a single Rockets' fan say that Curry deserved the award more than Harden.

LINK
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32681 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:57 pm to
Holy shite, thanks for the link

quote:

With a full year of D12 next year HOU could crack 65 wins with decent health otherwise you gotta think Harden will get his next year.


Posted by Captain Fantasy
Member since Mar 2013
1595 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:58 pm to
Spin it how you want, but your previous statement is false.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:58 pm to
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I am pretty sure I remember people around here saying Curry would win because he was more likable than Harden. Those people were not Rockets fans.


I think I got that exact argument from Swagger many times

I had both guys as 1a and 1b for majority of the season. Curry just overtook him once it became obvious that they were going to put up an absurd number of wins

eta: Plus their head to head matchups didn't hurt
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 1:00 pm
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:00 pm to
Where's the joke?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32681 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:01 pm to
The statement that I didn't see any Rockets' fan say that Curry deserved it over Harden is false?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32681 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:03 pm to
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65 wins
Posted by Captain Fantasy
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:05 pm to
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This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32681 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:07 pm to
I now see one Rockets' fan that said Curry was deserving, I didn't see one before.

Thanks
Posted by Captain Fantasy
Member since Mar 2013
1595 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:07 pm to
Yeah, I said well deserved MVP. Which means he deserved it.
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
27232 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:10 pm to
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Curry just overtook him once it became obvious that they were going to put up an absurd number of wins


I hope people remember this logic when the Rockets win a butt ton of games and Harden's raw numbers take a slight hit due to less minutes and Lawson getting touches.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27324 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:11 pm to
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I now see one Rockets' fan that said Curry was deserving, I didn't see one before.

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Rockets' fans thought Curry was deserving. They also thought Harden was deserving.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59706 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:14 pm to
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65 wins


Howard missed half of last season and they win 56 games. If they only win 5 more of the 41 games that D12 missed(conservative estimate), well that gives them 61. Then with the addition of Lawson, healthy Bev, Healthy Motie, Healthy Jones, etc..safe to say an additional 4 wins is not out of the question. If they are as healthy next season as GSW was this previous season, they'll be over 60 you can bet the house on that.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 1:15 pm
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:14 pm to
Steph's numbers never really took a hit though that was thing. People assumed that even when the Warriors were playing without him they were really good when it was the opposite. He was still putting up very good raw numbers for the overall minutes he played too.

Plus there is like a zero percent chance y'all win that many games (no offense). It was sort of a perfect storm for Golden State with so many teams dealing with injuries, their respective health, and I think the bottom of the West is getting even better now.
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:16 pm to
The Rockets will hit 60 wins next year with even reasonable health.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:18 pm to
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The Rockets will hit 60 wins next year with even reasonable health.


Bookmarked
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111113 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:19 pm to
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players really aren't much better than the average casual fan.
I certainly don't put much of any stock into the writer's MVP, and won't for the player's MVP either...but in general, the writer's MVP does have some clout, so I don't really know why this new one would be considered any less prestigious.
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