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re: James Harden: "I thought winning was more important"
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:01 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:01 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:He has 8 more wins, but his net +/- (on-off) is +1.5, while Westbrook's is +12.6.
It's a two man race. Of the two harden has much more wins. It ain't hard to figure it out.
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:14 pm to buckeye_vol
On/off isn't very important. We focus on ON. And they aren't close.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:27 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:If you want to focus on wins, then you have to consider how the team performs when that player is no in the game. For example, Houston had played almost 20 games worth of minutes without Harden on the floor. They still outscored their opponents by a substantial margin.
On/off isn't very important. We focus on ON. And they aren't close.
OKC gets outscored substantially when Westbrook isn't on the floor.
So if you want to discuss wins, but ignore that Houston is good enough to have a winning record without Harden, then you clearly don't value the wins themsleves. You just want to pick and choose like a hack, which is inexcusable since you're knowledgeable.
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:33 pm to buckeye_vol
If westbrook was as good as HARDEN when ON the floor. His team would have more wins.
Westbrook is +4 when on the court.
Harden +7
If Westbrook was +7 and not +4 his team would have more wins.
Westbrook is +4 when on the court.
Harden +7
If Westbrook was +7 and not +4 his team would have more wins.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:34 pm to buckeye_vol
Wins have always been a part of the equation for MVP. On off plus minus. Never mentioned much til this year.
Guess thousands of MVP voters over the years are all hacks.
Guess thousands of MVP voters over the years are all hacks.
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:36 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
So if you want to discuss wins, but ignore that Houston is good enough to have a winning record without Harden,
You are delusional. You're obviously trolling big time.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:38 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:If Harden was as good as Kawhi, his team would have more wins.
If westbrook was as good as HARDEN when ON the floor. His team would have more wins.
Westbrook is +4 when on the court.
Harden +7
If Westbrook was +7 and not +4 his team would have more wins.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:39 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Didn't you have the pulse of the voters due to being connected to know that this would be the year they would change it up?
Wins have always been a part of the equation for MVP. On off plus minus. Never mentioned much til this year.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:39 pm to tiggerthetooth
No he's not. He just doesn't have the common sense to separate on/off numbers and net ratings and real life.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:41 pm to shel311
Not necessarily. Harden plays A lot More minutes.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:42 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:And STILL has less wins?
Not necessarily. Harden plays A lot More minutes.
Ouch, a scathing indictment on Harden.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:44 pm to shel311
prove it. Show me your math.
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:45 pm to Boomshockalocka
That part of the program where Boom is boxed in and lashes out. 
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:45 pm to shel311
quote:
Harden plays A lot More minutes.
And STILL has less wins?
Ouch, a scathing indictment on Harden.
Well damn, that was brutal, shel. You didn't have to do him like that on a Monday
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:47 pm to shel311
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That part of the program where Boom is boxed in and lashes out.
Minorities of the MSB brace for bigotry!
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:48 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:They've always been part of the equation, and it still is. LeBron averaged a net +/- of about +16.8 in his 4 MVP seasons, Curry had 20.2 average in his 2 seasons, and Durant was +6 in his. Even Rose, probably the least deserving of the recent MVPs had a +2.
Wins have always been a part of the equation for MVP. Plus minus. Never mentioned much til this year.
So wins matter, but the team around them, should and does matter, which is evident in how much better teams are with an MVP player in the court.
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:50 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
Big, Bad, Brusque, Belligerent, Bigoted, Bubba Boom finna set the record STRAIGHT.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:52 pm to buckeye_vol
+4 when on for Russ would be the worst ON numbers for an MVP it's laugablt pedestrian. No worries about his teammates when he's off the floor. Look at how unimpressive they are even when he plays.
try again Bubba. Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:53 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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