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re: Is there anyone here who doesn't think Nicklaus is the GOAT
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:35 pm to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:35 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Tiger's not done
Really? Still?
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:36 pm to PrimeTime Money
I'm a fan of both. Ignoring the fact that one would be longer with modern equipment makes no sense to me.
It also isn't the reason either one has the accomplishments they've achieved. Until Tiger Woods I had never seen a golfer with the killer instinct that Nicklaus had. What elevates him to me is the fact that at some point in his career he became a part time professional golfer and only really focused on the majors because of his varying business interests.
Plus, he's a Buckeye.
It also isn't the reason either one has the accomplishments they've achieved. Until Tiger Woods I had never seen a golfer with the killer instinct that Nicklaus had. What elevates him to me is the fact that at some point in his career he became a part time professional golfer and only really focused on the majors because of his varying business interests.
Plus, he's a Buckeye.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
So Hagan, Hogan, Sarazen, Snead, Jones were just your average golfers, nothing special?
Tiger has benefited from a weak top 20 when he was winning. Jack, not so much. You want to see how many more 2 and 3 major winners Jack faced compared to Tiger?
I think the PGA top 20 is better now in the last couple of years and why Tiger will never win again.
Tiger has benefited from a weak top 20 when he was winning. Jack, not so much. You want to see how many more 2 and 3 major winners Jack faced compared to Tiger?
I think the PGA top 20 is better now in the last couple of years and why Tiger will never win again.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:39 pm to VABuckeye
quote:I know, but I still don't think that helps the argument.
He left out a bunch of players with 2 or 3 majors.
Y'all are making it seem like a handful of guys are winning the big ones. As long as they take turns winning the majors they're all gonn get theirs. Nowadays, there are countless guys who can win these majors. And countless guys do win them.
That's my argument, I'll have to look to see if facts back it up.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:43 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
left out a bunch of players with 2 or 3 majors.
He is also comparing different career lengths. It's a discussion point, but not really a strong one either way.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:47 pm to VABuckeye
quote:Is there an article about golf back in the day I can read? Cause dammit, y'all sound like my damn dad walking through the snow barefoot to school.
He won the long drive competition at the 1963 PGA with a drive of over 341 yeards which would have won the PGA long driving competition in 2014 using a persimmon driver and a 1963 technology golf ball.
So he hits drives 300-340 in the fairway every time with a wooden stick and club head the size of idk...a golf ball....?!
Did balls fly better? Did fairways roll more? Were they wider? What about the greens, hazards, and everything else? What was golf like back then?
Bubba isn't impressive to me after hearing y'all talk about Jack and the boys driving the ball.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:47 pm to VABuckeye
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What elevates him to me is the fact that at some point in his career he became a part time professional golfer and only really focused on the majors because of his varying business interests.
And family. Jack reduced his playing schedule when he and Barbara started their family.
Tiger reduced his playing schedule when his wife beat the shite out of him with a 9 iron.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:05 pm to COTiger
Game, Jack.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:14 pm to Taurus
quote:I didn't say that. But I said and meant a very mild version of that.
So Hagan, Hogan, Sarazen, Snead, Jones were just your average golfers, nothing special?
Tiger has benefited from a weak top 20 when he was winning. Jack, not so much.
quote:I'm not joking when I say that that's the single most convenient argument I've ever heard in my life.
I think the PGA top 20 is better now in the last couple of years and why Tiger will never win again.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:16 pm to ReauxlTide222
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quote:
He won the long drive competition at the 1963 PGA with a drive of over 341 yeards which would have won the PGA long driving competition in 2014 using a persimmon driver and a 1963 technology golf ball.
Is there an article about golf back in the day I can read? Cause dammit, y'all sound like my damn dad walking through the snow barefoot to school.
So he hits drives 300-340 in the fairway every time with a wooden stick and club head the size of idk...a golf ball....?!
Did balls fly better? Did fairways roll more? Were they wider? What about the greens, hazards, and everything else? What was golf like back then?
Bubba isn't impressive to me after hearing y'all talk about Jack and the boys driving the ball.
google "balata ball" ... and "persimmon vs metal" ...
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:19 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I'm not joking when I say that that's the single most convenient argument I've ever heard in my life.
OK, Tiger is not as good, the tour is better, he is a mental basket case, the courses have been Tiger-proofed so Rory and Spieth can win, his bones keep popping out and he has to pop them back in during a round, the rough is too rough for his knees because the PGA is racist, etc. etc.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:25 pm to undrafted
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Watch an old round from when Tiger was young then watch this weekend's British Open. It used to be a bunch of old, chubby white guys (see Jack Nicklaus). Tiger actually treated golf as a professional sport. Now everyone does
Oh dang. I had no idea.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:33 pm to accnodefense
Nicklaus is the GOAT.
Tiger's only real competition was Mickelson but Mickelson underachieved in regards to his talent. Mickelson's no-holds barred style of play probably cost him a few majors though. Tiger won against many mediocre players.
Nickaus was winning against some of the all-time greats like Palmer, Tom Watson, Lee Trevino, Gary Player amoung others.
Nicklaus had a boat load of top 5 finishes in the majors. 19 second place finishes. 9 third place finishes.
And all the while, Nicklaus was booming 300 yd drives with a persimmon head driver and using balata balls.
The technology is Nicklaus day was no where near as advanced or 'juiced' up as it today or even 15 years ago.
No doubt Woods is one of the best ever but when the facts are weighed, Nicklaus was a lot better than Woods.
Tiger's only real competition was Mickelson but Mickelson underachieved in regards to his talent. Mickelson's no-holds barred style of play probably cost him a few majors though. Tiger won against many mediocre players.
Nickaus was winning against some of the all-time greats like Palmer, Tom Watson, Lee Trevino, Gary Player amoung others.
Nicklaus had a boat load of top 5 finishes in the majors. 19 second place finishes. 9 third place finishes.
And all the while, Nicklaus was booming 300 yd drives with a persimmon head driver and using balata balls.
The technology is Nicklaus day was no where near as advanced or 'juiced' up as it today or even 15 years ago.
No doubt Woods is one of the best ever but when the facts are weighed, Nicklaus was a lot better than Woods.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:36 pm to Patrick_Bateman
Yes. His career is not done. He's still playing and has 14 majors. He shouldn't be counted out until he retires.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:40 pm to tigerclaws15
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by tigerclaws15
Is it not harder to win a major now than it was when Jack played?
Considering jack played against a lot more hall of famers than Tiger, it's tough to answer. And that's giving players like Bubba hall of fame status. Top to bottom there are better players now. But looking just at top it's hard to argue Jacks competition wasn't harder.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:44 pm to Reubaltaich
quote:What makes them all-time greats? What about them makes them so good?
Nickaus was winning against some of the all-time greats like Palmer, Tom Watson, Lee Trevino, Gary Player amoung others.
I promise, I don't mean that in a sarcastic/a-hole way.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:45 pm to Taurus
quote:The hell are you talking about now?
OK, Tiger is not as good, the tour is better, he is a mental basket case, the courses have been Tiger-proofed so Rory and Spieth can win, his bones keep popping out and he has to pop them back in during a round, the rough is too rough for his knees because the PGA is racist, etc. etc.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:02 pm to BallChamp00
quote:Why does it always seem that the greats played back in the day?
Considering jack played against a lot more hall of famers than Tiger, it's tough to answer. And that's giving players like Bubba hall of fame status. Top to bottom there are better players now. But looking just at top it's hard to argue Jacks competition wasn't harder.
And top to bottom? Yeah, that's one of the really tough parts about playing today. This shite isn't football. If the the Big10 and ACC are simply "good top to bottom," FSU and OSU are still going to most likely destroy most or all of the teams. Golf is completely different. GOATs hit the ball 100 yards. GOATs miss 3 foot putts. GOATs miss cuts or finish NOWHERE near the lead. Lebron's worst 10 games each season average something like 18/4/3 or something. If you look at a GOAT golfer's worst 5-10 tourneys over a 2 year span it'd probably look like he sucks arse.
Having tons of guys able to win each week is my whole argument. THAT'S the hard part and what's changed. And equipment. Yeah they're banned now, but for the past however many years if a guy couldn't putt for shite he could go to a belly putter or any of the other designs. I honestly don't know enough about the the game to say his for certain, but it seems like there are tons of ways to mask deficiencies in your game now by customizing and optimizing every aspect of everything you do.
And I don't buy the "well that would help Jack and should help Tiger too" shite. Again, this isn't basketball or football or baseball. When you give 140 guys in a tournament that kind of tech and knowledge, the odds for ONE single guy in the field have to deminish.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 10:11 pm to ReauxlTide222
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What makes them all-time greats? What about them makes them so good?
W's.
More so if they are in majors.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 10:21 pm to ReauxlTide222
You're missing two things. Nerves of steel and the ability to make a lot of players wilt. That's what separates the great ones. You can talk about conditioning and equipment all you want. Either you have it or you don't and most don't.
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