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re: Is Kawhi overrated on the MSB, or not?
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:00 pm to brgfather129
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:00 pm to brgfather129
I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite in that respect then. I am the guy who doesn't like Jahlil Okafor because I don't think he can bring the defense. Maybe you can lead a franchise as a defense first player. Not sure. Can his defense stay elite if he has the total offensive load? It's a question we might get to find the answer to if he ever decides to leave San Antonio for more money.
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:01 pm to brgfather129
I can tell you're an extremely sophisticated basketball connoisseur.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:02 pm to Louie T
Damn right.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:10 pm to brgfather129
This quote from Pop about Kawhi 
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He stole it from Curry the other night, just took it from him and went down and dunked it, and his expression did not change. He didn't raise his fist or look cool to the crowd or do any of this stupid-arse stuff. He didn't do a thing. He just goes the other direction, like he's bored to death. I love that about him
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:06 pm to Lester Earl
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He's closer to a Scottie Pippen type role player then he is to Ariza or Kendrick fricking Perkins
I wouldn't exactly label Pippen a role player. By 96 he was the second best player(or at least top 5) in the NBA.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:13 pm to RonBurgundy
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I wouldn't exactly label Pippen a role player. By 96 he was the second best player(or at least top 5) in the NBA.
i dont really think Kawhi is a role player either. He's just kind of stuck with a bunch of good players. The same way Pippen was always over shadowed by Jordan.
Pippen was good but never a top 5 player. "by 96" does that mean he was a top 5 player over a few years? Would prob slot him somewhere in the top 15 players. The year Jordan retired he was really good though.
But "By 98" his first year with HOU, he was pretty much done.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:02 am to ReauxlTide222
I've been watching 'Whi since SDSU. He is not a Lebron, he's a team player that does all the little things right, and you can't put a price on that. If someone else got him, they should just use him the same way. He is his best when he doesn't have to be the man.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:29 am to Lester Earl
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i dont really think Kawhi is a role player either. He's just kind of stuck with a bunch of good players. The same way Pippen was always over shadowed by Jordan.
Pippen was good but never a top 5 player. "by 96" does that mean he was a top 5 player over a few years? Would prob slot him somewhere in the top 15 players. The year Jordan retired he was really good though.
But "By 98" his first year with HOU, he was pretty much done.
do you mean all time or when he was in the league at that time?
from 91-98 he was on some tier of All-NBA, including 5 straight years on the first team, really should won MVP in 93(Jordan's first year off).
He's a top 20 player of all time.Behind Jordan, he was certainly the second best wing player by the start of the Bulls run. Only Dream,Barkley,Admiral,Malone or Stockton are players one could argue are ahead, but I don't think all of those players were better than him at the time.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 12:30 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:34 am to RonBurgundy
Do you think pippen was better than prime grant hill?
Eta: top 20, no way. Closer to 50 on the list for me.
Eta: top 20, no way. Closer to 50 on the list for me.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 12:37 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:41 am to Lester Earl
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Do you think pippen was better than prime grant hill?
Eta: top 20, no way. Closer to 50 on the list for me.
they are about neck and neck(ETA-but Grants injury obviously knocks him down several notches)...and Grant Hill is my favorite player(and athlete) of all time. You're seriously undervaluing Scottie Pippen. Closer to 50? Please name your top 50 then.
There are only a handful of players (Duncan,LeBron and Kobe) who are active that better than apex Pippen (KD is about equal).
and ETA: name 10 better players in the 91-96 era(consistently)
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 12:47 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:12 am to Montezuma
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I've been watching 'Whi since SDSU. He is not a Lebron, he's a team player that does all the little things right, and you can't put a price on that. If someone else got him, they should just use him the same way. He is his best when he doesn't have to be the man.
Well put. I agree with this.
My biggest problem right now is that people are trying to project probably the best role player/ glue guy in the NBA as the next superstar. Role players can even be more valuable than superstars in my opinion, but it sure is difficult to rank players like that.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:33 am to SwaggerCopter
He's 23 and has a NBA finals Mvp. He's no LeBron James.... yet.
LeBron frustrated with Kawhi checking in
Give him credit. Plus look at his recent 26 point game.
LeBron frustrated with Kawhi checking in
Give him credit. Plus look at his recent 26 point game.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:33 am to Montezuma
quote:I'm such a big Lebron fan/little girl that I'm gonna have to say that LEBRON IS A TEAM PLAYER TOO DAMMIT before I address the rest of your post.
I've been watching 'Whi since SDSU. He is not a Lebron, he's a team player that does all the little things right, and you can't put a price on that. If someone else got him, they should just use him the same way. He is his best when he doesn't have to be the man.
Anyways, you're right. This might sound dumb, but if Kawhi was a couple notches lower than he is(all around skill and production wise) then I think he'd be the PERFECT role player ever. But he's soooooo good at what he does that it makes everyone say, "well damn! Is this guy....uhm....yeah, this guy is the future!"
Like, I almost wish he wasn't as good as he is so I could just appreciate what he does. Because right now I want him to be the man and be in MVP talks...but at the same time, I have a really strong opinion that he isn't good enough to do that.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 5:08 am to SwaggerCopter
I don't think he has that killer mentality to take it to the next level. He kind of fades into the background when it's crunch time offensively and would rather have Duncan, Parker or Gino take that shot.
Defensively he's one of the best out there easily. His offensive game is good, not great, just good. But he goes for stretches for too long where he doesn't do anything offensively to be a superstar and I don't think he will ever be that.
Defensively he's one of the best out there easily. His offensive game is good, not great, just good. But he goes for stretches for too long where he doesn't do anything offensively to be a superstar and I don't think he will ever be that.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:04 am to WicKed WayZ
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I don't think he has that killer mentality to take it to the next level.
I suggest you go back and look at his performances from games 3-5 in the NBA Finals last year
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:14 am to TbirdSpur2010
Even though he's played roughly 3/4 of the season, Leonard leads the league in games with 4+ steals with 14. LINK
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:16 am to SwaggerCopter
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But I also don't believe he could carry a team on his back
that doesn't make him overrated
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:04 am to cas4t
Failing to see Kawhi's killer instinct means you didn't watch the Finals.
Last two games the dude has outscored Westbrook and Curry, amassed 10 steals, and is a combined 21-42 shooting. Curry and Westrook were 16-34...the big difference is they are the alpha dogs on the team without question, and Kawhi (while not exclusively a role player) is one of 3 top options.
He's a top 10 talent in the league.
Last two games the dude has outscored Westbrook and Curry, amassed 10 steals, and is a combined 21-42 shooting. Curry and Westrook were 16-34...the big difference is they are the alpha dogs on the team without question, and Kawhi (while not exclusively a role player) is one of 3 top options.
He's a top 10 talent in the league.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:19 am to RonBurgundy
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You're seriously undervaluing Scottie Pippen. Closer to 50? Please name your top 50 then.
Im saying 40ish range. Closer to 50, not exactly 50.
it no order
1 jordan
2 lebron
3 shaq
4 wilt
5 kareem
6 magic
7 bird
8 russell
9 malone
10 barkley
11 Admiral
12 Dr J
13 moses malone
14 bob petit
15 jerry west
16 john havlicek
17 elvin hayes
18 hakeem
19 pistol pete
20 oscar robertson
21 rick barry
22 dwyane Wade
23 durant
24 john stockton
25 kevin mchale
26 kobe
27 elgin baylor
28 duncan
29 kevin garnett
30 clydy drexler
31 isiah thomas
32 george mikan
33 patrick ewing
34 Dirk
there's 34 guys there that i would say definites in my eyes.
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and ETA: name 10 better players in the 91-96 era(consistently)
just go off the list above. he was prob 10 or 11th. not 2nd
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:13 pm to Lester Earl
quote:well that's 34 (and you're stretching). +/- 15 players is right at 20 and 50...also after bringing up Grant Hill, implying he was better than Scottie, he doesn't make your list.
Im saying 40ish range. Closer to 50, not exactly 50.
quote:
just go off the list above. he was prob 10 or 11th. not 2nd
There is not 10 guys off that list that were better between 91-98**
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1 jordan
2 lebron
3 shaq
4 wilt
5 kareem
6 magic
7 bird
8 russell
9 malone
10 barkley
11 Admiral
12 Dr J
13 moses malone
14 bob petit
15 jerry west
16 john havlicek
17 elvin hayes
18 hakeem
19 pistol pete
20 oscar robertson
21 rick barry
22 dwyane Wade
23 durant
24 john stockton
25 kevin mchale
26 kobe
27 elgin baylor
28 duncan
29 kevin garnett
30 clydy drexler
31 isiah thomas
32 george mikan
33 patrick ewing
34Dirk
Bird,Magic and Isiah weren't better than Pippen between 91-98 (and all three were gone by 94).
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During the 1992 Olympics, Chuck Daly called Scottie his second-best player, describing him as the ultimate 'fill-in-the-blanks guy.' That's right-Bill Simmons
Wade isn't better than Pippen. KG isn't better than Pippen.Durant, at this point, isn't better than Pippen. Same thing with Pistol,Hayes,Baylor and Ewing.
Going off your list, he's in the 15-20 range.
but back to the 91-98 era- the top 15 players of that time.Fun Fact-Malone,Robinson and Pippen tied for the most ALL NBA appearances with 7 in that time-span
Jordan
Hakeem
Pippen
Barkley
Shaq
Payton
Stockton
Malone
The Admiral
Ewing
Grant Hill
Penny Hardaway
Drexler
Nique
Price/KJ
are roughly the top 15 players of that time.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 3:43 pm
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