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If Barry Bonds would have retired in 1998.. HOF?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:16 pm
If he would have said, "I'm done" rather than, "hand me the steroids."
3 MVP's, 8 All-Star games, 8 Gold Gloves, 411 HR, 445 Stolen Bases, .290 BA
Would he be in the Hall?
If so, why not vacate every season, 1999 and after, and then elect him on merit?
3 MVP's, 8 All-Star games, 8 Gold Gloves, 411 HR, 445 Stolen Bases, .290 BA
Would he be in the Hall?
If so, why not vacate every season, 1999 and after, and then elect him on merit?
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 12:21 pm
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:20 pm to goldenbadger08
Yes, easily.
There are people already in with lesser accolades.
There are people already in with lesser accolades.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:28 pm to goldenbadger08
yes
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:33 pm to goldenbadger08
Of course. Bonds, along with Clemens were HOFers before steroids.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:38 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:
why not vacate every season, 1999 and after, and then elect him on merit?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:46 pm to goldenbadger08
quote:
why not vacate every season, 1999 and after, and then elect him on merit?
I've wondered the same thing including Clemens, but not sure where Clemens started using. I'm guess when he left Boston.
To me that's the best solution. I think vacating the records needs to happen too.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:47 pm to goldenbadger08
It's an irrelevant point. The (misguided) idea behind keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF has nothing to do with the idea that they wouldn't have been good enough without roids, it's to punish them for being cheaters and defiling the integrity of the game. The (hypocritical) logic behind keeping them out is the view that their actions--not their lack of "clean" baseball resumes--make them unworthy of the HOF.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:48 pm to goldenbadger08
Probably not
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:52 pm to Jamohn
quote:
It's an irrelevant point. The (misguided) idea behind keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF has nothing to do with the idea that they wouldn't have been good enough without roids, it's to punish them for being cheaters and defiling the integrity of the game. The (hypocritical) logic behind keeping them out is the view that their actions--not their lack of "clean" baseball resumes--make them unworthy of the HOF.
Yet there are admitted cheaters already in the HOF. The whole thing's a shite show.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:54 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Agreed.
Yet there are admitted cheaters already in the HOF. The whole thing's a shite show.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:04 pm to goldenbadger08
Easily
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:05 pm to goldenbadger08
What kind of question is this? Bonds was named best player of the decade for the '90s by Sporting News Magazine. He is one of only nine players to win three MVPs. He is the first and only player to ever hit 400 home runs and steal 400 bases for his career. Bonds was easily a top 20 player of all-time and the best player of his generation before any of the steroid shenanigans.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:08 pm to Bench McElroy
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If so, why not vacate every season, 1999 and after, and then elect him on merit?
quote:One that you did not answer.
What kind of question is this?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:09 pm to goldenbadger08
Yes.
It does not work that way.
That being said, Barry Bonds will be the best baseball player I will ever see in my entire life. I want to put him in the Hall.
It does not work that way.
That being said, Barry Bonds will be the best baseball player I will ever see in my entire life. I want to put him in the Hall.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:11 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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That being said, Barry Bonds will be the best baseball player I will ever see in my entire life. I want to put him in the Hall.
GOAT IMO...definitely the best I personally have seen.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:12 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:18 pm to Taurus
Steroids or not, Bonds is still one of the greatest hitters of all time and to think a talent like that actually went to college.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:18 pm to Jamohn
quote:
Posted by Jamohn on 7/2/15 at 12:47 pm to goldenbadger08 It's an irrelevant point. The (misguided) idea behind keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF has nothing to do with the idea that they wouldn't have been good enough without roids, it's to punish them for being cheaters and defiling the integrity of the game. The (hypocritical) logic behind keeping them out is the view that their actions--not their lack of "clean" baseball resumes--make them unworthy of the HOF.
Gaylord Perry says hi from Cooperstown!
Seriously, you hit the nail on the head. It also points out the fast that another guy who was absolutely clean isn't in....2 time MVP Dale Murphy.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:22 pm to lsusa
quote:So does Hank Aaron and every other player from back then. They took amphetamines like candy
Gaylord Perry says hi from Cooperstown!
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:24 pm to goldenbadger08
i think he started juicing way before 1998
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