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re: How good can Nikola Mirotic be?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:24 pm to boXerrumble
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:24 pm to boXerrumble
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The Bulls were missing DRose, Jimmy Buckets, and Taj Gibson. Not like that has anything to do with it. Not to mention Noah is being forced to play restricted minutes by Bulls management, despite playing his best basketball of the season.
Didn't Noah's Dr's tell him to play less than 32 MPG or something? Maybe that was just at the beginning of the year? IDK. Seems odd half the time people are bitching about Thibs playing players into the dirt and now they are bitching bc he isn't playing Noah enough
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:26 pm to boXerrumble
hoisting up six 3's per game at 25% certainly doesn't help win games
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:29 pm to Lester Earl
Same can be said for Westbrook. Dude's shooting 42% from the field and 30% from 3 pt land.
Who cares though. He's averaging a triple double per game since february though. Amirite?!
Who cares though. He's averaging a triple double per game since february though. Amirite?!
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:31 pm to boXerrumble
I didn't say it was his fault
Just pointing out the hypocrisy of losing and empty stats argument
Where does mirotic fit in in the future? Let Gibson walk and plug mirotic in?
Just pointing out the hypocrisy of losing and empty stats argument
Where does mirotic fit in in the future? Let Gibson walk and plug mirotic in?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:35 pm to TheSexecutioner
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4th quarter points is an absolutely retarded stat
More or less retarded than 2nd quarter FG%?
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Good players who's teams are winning by a lot don't play in the 4th quarter.
Whoa...probably should refrain from using the word "retarded" in one of your posts, then following it up with a statement like this.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:39 pm to brgfather129
I don't see the necessity to fluff or knock Mirotic down here. He has been playing some good basketball...only player in the East to average 20 and 8reb this month #weakEast
Don't see why he wouldn't provide a more efficient, consistent 19/7 on a winning team as he progresses.
Don't see why he wouldn't provide a more efficient, consistent 19/7 on a winning team as he progresses.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:43 pm to Dr. Shultz
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Seems odd half the time people are bitching about Thibs playing players into the dirt and now they are bitching bc he isn't playing Noah enough
Most of the people who bitch about Thibs are in the media. The only complaint I have about Thibs is him keeping guys in the 4th Q when they are winning by 20.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:51 pm to boXerrumble
In his past 30 days he's shooting at at the same % or higher than Dirk and Love have. Beast!
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:18 pm to GynoSandberg
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So he's not putting up empty stats on a losing team (in March when he's gettinh extensive run) as a 24 yr old rookie but 20 yr old wiggins and noel are and 21 yr old payton is?
Lol ok. Why? Ron burgundy's go to " I watch a lot of basketball, that's why". Been the same claim to back up his arguments for years. Unless you're hubie Brown or something then I don't really care
My "go to" is simply put-it's not that I am the MSB's leading NBA guy (although I am up there) it's the guys pull stats out of their ballsacks when propping or tearing down guy. I've been League Passing for years, I can only validate what I see.
You for example, are more of an NOLA homer than an NBA fan, (and now have gone pretty far into stats, but not so much) i.e. your defense of Asik. You're also the same guy who once argued rebounding rate is an irrelevant stat, although that was before you really understood math.
When guys back up "superstar" arguments with commercial endorsements instead of watching who makes an overall greater impact in the game, you can tell.
Wiggins has a very high defensive ceiling, but assholes on this board are claiming he's going to be a top 15 all timer. That's insane. Kawhi Leonard is going to have a better career and no is claiming the same about him(only 3 years difference).
When I say Mirotic is the best rookie, a lot of that is by his overall basketball IQ. That comes with playing in Euro league and being the man in his league while Wiggins wasn't the man on KU's team.
Mirotic is a smart defender (although he's finally getting used to Thibs system and took a little too long,imo) but doesn't possess the innate ability Wiggins has. He's got an overall stronger offensive game, really good passer,good in the post, good off the dribble, nice stroke. Better feel than Wiggins, probably ever, but maybe not. You can build an offense around Mirotic, Wiggins so far-imo, hasn't shown that.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:24 pm to RonBurgundy
Wiggins has played parts of this year as a 19yr old.
Compared to a 24 year old who has been playing pro for 6 years
Compared to a 24 year old who has been playing pro for 6 years
Posted on 3/24/15 at 4:27 pm to Lester Earl
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Wiggins has played parts of this year as a 19yr old.
Compared to a 24 year old who has been playing pro for 6 year
So now we're subtracting years to defend the kid?Mirotic played most of the year as a 23 year old
If you talking development, is one year in the NBA=1 year in Euroleague?
ETA: for the ill-informed, in his "5 year" Real Madrid career (played in 2 mins in 1 game as 18 year old) and a total of 97 games. winning a playoff MVP and a league MVP,as well as the u20 FIBA Europe MVP.
and you're the same guy who says
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wake me up 3 months from now when its the conference finals
So get the frick the out with your nonsense.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 5:16 pm to RonBurgundy
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You for example, are more of an NOLA homer than an NBA fan
NOLA homer?
Im more critical of that team than any other. You think you are some knowledgeable NBA fan, well, because you say you are. The sooner you realize you are just a message board guy with an NBA opinion, the better. You arent even the best NBA poster who has slayed Blondie. My man SFP has forgotten more than you will ever know
Posted on 3/24/15 at 5:42 pm to GynoSandberg
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My man SFP has forgotten more than you will ever know
your man is slightly above average in NBA threads, but bringing in Blondie?Shows where you want this to go. SMH. quote:
The sooner you realize you are just a message board guy with an NBA opinion, the better
Never said I was anything but. That being said, I've got plenty of NBA thread cred, moreso than most posting. Not that it means anything IRL...but there are plenty of solid NBA thread guys here. RTR,boom,bro,LSUpiston,even Prime.
I disagree with you because you're ill informed and even in this thread you attack the poster and not the post.
Wiggins numbers, in comparison to Mirotic's are inflated. Check the per 36 min/100 possessions. Nikola has intergrated himself enough into the Bulls offense that Taj Gibson might be the 4th big in the rotation. He's still very young and can be argued that Butler and him are the future of one the East best teams. He's 6'10 PF with one of the better off the bounce games for a player of his size to come around in a long time.
The MSB has fallen in love with Wiggins as some have argued he'll be an all timer of 3/4 of season in that really hasn't been as impressive as one thinks. He's going to be a solid player and he's going to win ROY...but winning the ROY is more a product of the burn/freedom/opportunity he's had in 'Sota.
If he was on the Bulls, would he be getting those touches? The PT? The extended leash?
Mirotic could have easily been buried this year and times he has been...but the guy is a ball player and has earned his PT on a team that is more dangerous than people think. He's verstaile enough to play 3-5 (in stretches) and is getting better down the stretch.
Elfrid is a guy who can't and likely ever, be able to shoot. He's going to benefit greatly from having V.O. playing on his side. Noel is a fine defensive player and he has a case, but he's not a complete player at his position.
Mirotic, Jabari, Wiggins,Randle,Smart,Exum and Nurkic have the highest ceilings of this years rookies (although I guess you can't count Embiid). If Payton can resemble a shooter at some point, maybe he can join the group...but he's not in there.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:08 pm to RonBurgundy
Mirotic has had an extended leash the whole month that he has shined with Rose and Bulter out. Earned his PT? Cmon. He's getting off 15 shots a game and playing 31 minutes a night. A ton of freedom and opportunity. The most minutes he had seen previously in a month was 22. He's playing well but let's not act like he's earned and played his way to extended minutes.
And for the record, I dont even think Wiggins has the highest ceiling of that class. I do think is your ROY, though. How much more of a ceiling do you think Mirotic has? Nurkic, Noel, Payton etc all have higher ceilings if by ceiling you mean potential for growth. Those guys have all flashed and still have major improvements to be made. And they are all young.
And for the record, I dont even think Wiggins has the highest ceiling of that class. I do think is your ROY, though. How much more of a ceiling do you think Mirotic has? Nurkic, Noel, Payton etc all have higher ceilings if by ceiling you mean potential for growth. Those guys have all flashed and still have major improvements to be made. And they are all young.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:29 pm to RonBurgundy
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So now we're subtracting years to defend the kid?Mirotic played most of the year as a 23 year old
a few months at that age is negligible. 23/24, no difference.
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ETA: for the ill-informed, in his "5 year" Real Madrid career (played in 2 mins in 1 game as 18 year old) and a total of 97 games. winning a playoff MVP and a league MVP,as well as the u20 FIBA Europe MVP.
Im ill-informed, but you cant read that he has played in 228 professional games?
In addition to the Euroleague, he also has played 131 games in the Spanish league with Real Madrid. So 228 games is equivalent to almost 3 full NBA seasons of games.
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So get the frick the out with your nonsense.
Let's see, you have the stupid attack on me regarding Lou Williams, and now this. It's laughable for you to tell anyone to "stick to basketball". idiot.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 6:42 pm to brgfather129
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More or less retarded than 2nd quarter FG%?
um, way more retarded. 2nd quarter FG% is somewhat significant. It's only a piece of a larger puzzle(1st,3rd, and 4th FG% as well as other stats) but it actually matters. But nobody claimed that 2nd quarter FG% is a mark of a good player.
4th quarter points are incredibly misleading. Its biased incredibly by not being on the court because your team is good or being on the court against scrubs because you just let your team get demolished in the other 3 quarters.
With no other context, efficiency stats > raw number scoring stats and 2nd quarter stats > 4th quarter stats. They are subject to less bias. Now, if you add extra context(e.g. in a game within 5 points), 4th quarter stats might start becoming important. But that is not what I said is retarded.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:04 pm to Lester Earl
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Let's see, you have the stupid attack on me regarding Lou Williams, and now this. It's laughable for you to tell anyone to "stick to basketball". idiot.
by no means did I ever tell you to stick to basketball. You dont know shite about it, but I will wake you up when it's time for the conference finals, then you can pretend like you know what you're talking about.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:10 pm to TheSexecutioner
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2nd quarter FG% is somewhat significant.
FG% is a shitty metric that has been improved upon...you want to talk about a statistic that needs context, look no further.
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Its biased incredibly by not being on the court because your team is good or being on the court against scrubs because you just let your team get demolished in the other 3 quarters.
If you want to make the argument that your star players/big-time scorers are sitting in the 4th quarter of blowouts with regularity...I mean, go ahead.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:18 pm to brgfather129
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FG% is a shitty metric that has been improved upon...you want to talk about a statistic that needs context, look no further.
I never said it was a good metric. But its certainly relevant.
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If you want to make the argument that your star players/big-time scorers are sitting in the 4th quarter of blowouts with regularity...I mean, go ahead.
What are you even talking about? Have you ever watched a basketball game? Do you think the Splash Bros play the whole 4th quarter when they are winning by 20 points?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:20 pm to RonBurgundy
im not even one to say shite like this, but I've ran circles around you in this thread, correcting at least 4 of your misinformative points.
But of course you revert to attacks when proven wrong. Kinda sad
But of course you revert to attacks when proven wrong. Kinda sad
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