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Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:01 am to beatbammer
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So you're saying that if the field in the 1973 Belmont had been bigger, he would have ran slower?
which is dumb anway considering secretariat went from last to first in both the derby(a big field) and the preakness.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:03 am to euphemus
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Do race horses understand when they win or lose a race? Do race results make them try harder next time? Do they have any feelings?
No, no, and maybe/probably.
Competitive racehorses want to run faster than the horses running next to them. Its likely that that has been bred into them over the years to make it instinctual.
So is an instinct a feeling? I don't know the for sure answer to that question.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:07 am to beatbammer
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Competitive racehorses want to run faster than the horses running next to them. Its likely that that has been bred into them over the years to make it instinctual.
I'd love to know what made this great horse push like he did in Belmont when there was no other horse in the same zip code during the final stretch. 31 lengths? :smh:
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:07 am to beatbammer
my opinion is that its a natural competitive feeling. I would imagine that some horses have that will to win, whether it be a race, or a fight, or making the other horses in the herd move out of the way. its all about dominance over the rest.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:09 am to euphemus
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I'd love to know what made this great horse push like he did in Belmont when there was no other horse in the same zip code during the final stretch. 31 lengths? :smh
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:17 am to kywildcatfanone
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, he and Sham had the fastest 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4 times. He would have ran away from 12 as easily as 4-5.
Which shows how impressive Sham actually was. Sham was the Mike Trout, losing an MVP to another Triple Crown winner. Miguel Cabrera.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:24 am to beatbammer
They way Big Red just runs down the field in the backstretch from dead last in the Preakness is just awesome.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:30 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Which shows how impressive Sham actually was. Sham was the Mike Trout, losing an MVP to another Triple Crown winner. Miguel Cabrera.
and Secretariat plumb wore his arse out in the Belmont, think he faded to last or near it trying to keep up.
So the usual story (hope) is "The second best horse in the first two races will get him in the third at the longer distance."
nope
Sham would have won the first two if Secretariat wasn't there (and all else was equal), so he was a good horse, just shows that Secretariat would have beaten 300 of them if he had a path to the front that day.
There's actually a book out about Sham:
LINK
This post was edited on 5/18/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:37 am to euphemus
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I'd love to know what made this great horse push like he did in Belmont when there was no other horse in the same zip code during the final stretch. 31 lengths?
Looked to me like he just loved to run.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:39 am to Hat Tricks
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Didn't you already prove in the thread last week you don't know much about horse racing?
By saying the time is more impressive than the lengths against 4 horses? Get real.
I've never even posted another horse racing opinion on TD other than that and Barbaro would have won the triple crown.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:55 am to beatbammer
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Dr. Thomas Swerczek, head pathologist at the University of Kentucky, did not weigh Secretariat's heart
Why would they not weigh it?
Most famous horse ever, but we'll just give it the old eyeball test....heart is...22 pounds?
Posted on 5/18/14 at 12:14 pm to kywildcatfanone
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My favorite Secretariat moment: Going into the 1st turn at Pimlico in the Preakness he was dead last. When the came out of the turn he was charging into 1st and never looked back.
Just out of the blue, I watched that this morning. I don't remember seeing it before and I was amazed.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 12:28 pm to GonePecan
quote:- William Nack
"It's very bad," he said. "We're going to have to put him down today."
"When?"
He did not answer. I left the house, and an hour later I was back in my room in Lexington. I had just taken off my coat when I saw it, the red blinking light on my phone. I knew. I walked around the room. Out the door and down the hall. Back into the room. Out the door and around the block. Back into the room. Out the door and down to the lobby. Back into the room. I called sometime after noon. "Claiborne Farm called," said the message operator.
I phoned Annette Covault, an old friend who is the mare booker at Claiborne, and she was crying when she read the message: "Secretariat was euthanized at 11:45 a.m. today to prevent further suffering from an incurable condition...."
The last time I remember really crying was on St. Valentine's Day 1982, when my wife called to tell me that my father had died. At the moment she called, I was sitting in a purple room in Caesars Palace, in Las Vegas, waiting for an interview with the heavyweight champion. Larry Holmes. Now here I was, in a different hotel room in a different town, suddenly feeling like a very old and tired man of 48, leaning with my back against a wall and sobbing for a long time with my face in my hands.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 12:34 pm to Zamoro10
The importance of that Time cover is that it was issued well before the Triple Crown races.
eta: Actually, I was wrong on that. That article was dated June 11, 1973. There had been, however, much attention paid to Secretariat in national magazines prior to that.
The racing world knew they had something very, very special in their midst.
If Secretariat were a human subject under such attention and praise the pressure upon him to excel would have been enormous.
Sheer coincidence, too, that the most talented racehorse ever was also the most handsome.
eta: Actually, I was wrong on that. That article was dated June 11, 1973. There had been, however, much attention paid to Secretariat in national magazines prior to that.
The racing world knew they had something very, very special in their midst.
If Secretariat were a human subject under such attention and praise the pressure upon him to excel would have been enormous.
Sheer coincidence, too, that the most talented racehorse ever was also the most handsome.
This post was edited on 5/18/14 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/18/14 at 12:36 pm to dukke v
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I am not sure if there has been ANY more dominant feat in sports history.............
The Undertaker's streak at Wrestlemania
Posted on 5/18/14 at 12:44 pm to Zamoro10
It is amazing how in the endless "The greatest xxx" debates sports fans always have there are always viable arguments: Montana/Unitas/Manning? Koufax/Gibson/Spahn? '72 Dolphins/'78 Steelers/'85 Bears? Who knows?
When it comes to horse racing, the only answer is "Secretariat".
If there ever was a "/thread" response; "Secretatriat/thread" is it.
When it comes to horse racing, the only answer is "Secretariat".
If there ever was a "/thread" response; "Secretatriat/thread" is it.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 1:03 pm to Hat Tricks
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Of course he set the records. But the record is only by 2 seconds
Wait...did somebody really say this?
Posted on 5/18/14 at 1:04 pm to JackVincennes
I'm sorry I'm at work so I can't pull up the link.
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