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re: Hayes should have missed the 2nd FT
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:28 am to KillerNut9
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:28 am to KillerNut9
quote:It would have been totally reasonable before the final play to say that there arse no chance that #0 would botch his assignment AND get in the way of the big guy who wouldn't reasonably be guarding the fastest players on the Florida team too,no?
And the only way this happens is if a Wisconsin player loses his man, which anyone with a reasonable mind knows wouldn't happen
quote:That was #0's job on the actual play, literally.
You keep 1 guy around the key just to keep a body around the rebound so UF loses any upcourt momentum
quote:Sure, when you have hindsight and this silly notion you have, yea.
Anyone that argues it's just as likely UF gets off as good of a look is bat shite crazy.
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Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:31 am to shel311
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Sure, when you have hindsight and this silly notion you have, yea.
You're being dense. We are discussing a strategy based on probability. You are focussing on one missed assignment, which is not relevant.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:32 am to MasterofTigerBait
quote:Wtf
You are focussing on one missed assignment, which is not relevant.
So your argument is missing without a missed assignment is better than making with a missed assignment?
Ya don't say!!!
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:33 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:34 am to KillerNut9
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You're severely underestimating how much extra space is covered when you can catch an inbounds pass already running upcourt.
And you're underestimating how much room for error you open yourself to if you're only up 1. Any foul and you could be toast.
You're also underestimating how poorly Wisky would have defended this intentional miss. We saw how poorly they did off the inbound, so why is it such a stretch to think they'd do it again with the intentional miss? You'd also have Koenig on the floor hobbling around too.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:35 am to shel311
We are discussing if it is a better strategy to miss the free throw or to make the free throw.
i.e. if the same situation happened 100 times, which one of the two would be better.
i.e. if the same situation happened 100 times, which one of the two would be better.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:35 am to KillerNut9
They shouldn't have missed on purpose.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:35 am to slackster
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Any foul and you could be toast.
This is the part I'm sure a lot of people aren't considering.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:35 am to slackster
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And you're underestimating how much room for error you open yourself to if you're only up 1. Any foul and you could be toast.
That is a good point.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:36 am to MasterofTigerBait
quote:Right. Making it is the better play.
We are discussing if it is a better strategy to miss the free throw or to make the free throw.
i.e. if the same situation happened 100 times, which one of the two would be better.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:37 am to shel311
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It would have been totally reasonable before the final play to say that there arse no chance that #0 would botch his assignment AND get in the way of the big guy who wouldn't reasonably be guarding the fastest players on the Florida team too,no?
Putting yourself in an awkward position when the other team had time to run a designed play really doesn't equate to completely losing your man after a missed FT.
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That was #0's job on the actual play, literally.
Lol no it wasn't. His job was to face guard the other UF guard that stared the inbounds play outside the 3 point line and then loop back to cover Barry after he inbounded it (which caused him to run into Hayes).
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:37 am to KillerNut9
Hayes and #0 were both terrible on that last defensive possession. It was embarrassingly bad.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:39 am to KillerNut9
quote:Again, everything I said would have been totally reasonable to say no way it would, and it did.
Putting yourself in an awkward position when the other team had time to run a designed play really doesn't equate to completely losing your man after a missed FT.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:40 am to KillerNut9
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Lol no it wasn't. His job was to face guard the other UF guard that stared the inbounds play outside the 3 point line and then loop back to cover Barry after he inbounded it (which caused him to run into Hayes).
Which is why I've got little confidence in Wisky's ability to properly defend the missed FT too. There was no need to cover someone behind the ball on that play. With 4 seconds it is a complete waste - everything will be going forward on that play, not backwards or even laterally.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:40 am to KillerNut9
In his defense, he was probably trying to miss it
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:42 am to slackster
Not to mention, they could have fouled on the rebound, on the outlet, on a loose ball. Any number of scenarios.
The OP can say it's reasonable to think they wouldn't, and so what? How often do we see unreasonable decisions made in situations like this? All the time.
The OP can say it's reasonable to think they wouldn't, and so what? How often do we see unreasonable decisions made in situations like this? All the time.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:42 am to tigerpimpbot
Seeing how discombobulated Wisconsin was on that final possession, the correct move, in hindsight, was probably to make the second free throw and then take your last timeout.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:43 am to shel311
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The OP can say it's reasonable to think they wouldn't, and so what? How often do we see unreasonable decisions made in situations like this? All the time.
That Vanderbilt kid fouled on purpose when they were ahead just a week ago
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:44 am to BayouBengals03
quote:There ya go.
That Vanderbilt kid fouled on purpose when they were ahead just a week ago
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:44 am to BayouBengals03
With 4 seconds I think you absolutely try to make the FT and go up by 2.
With less than 2 seconds, perhaps a miss and having everyone back on defense would have been a better move.
With less than 2 seconds, perhaps a miss and having everyone back on defense would have been a better move.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:44 am to shel311
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Again, everything I said would have been totally reasonable to say no way it would, and it did.
Im not saying what #0 did in that scenario is the likely end result of this, but if you're telling me Hayes makes the 2nd FT, then you absolutely facegaurd one of the guards.
What resulted is a risk you run if your player doesn't get his head around in time.
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