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Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:47 am to slackster
quote:A team in this tourney did this exact thing. Miss the FT. Double the guy who gets the rebound.
So you're advocating they miss a free throw on purpose, then go after the ball half-assed? What makes you think Florida gets a worse look than the one they ultimately got anyway?
That's it. Dude has no lanes to throw a good pass up the court. A 3 still wins it. So it's not like a smart dribble drive is gonna beat you. It'd still be chaos and UF wouldn't have the ability to lead some shooter with freakin Hayes on him down the court.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:47 am to slackster
Honestly, once Hayes makes the first free throw, and the pressure is really off of him, I think Wisconsin should have taken their last timeout before the second free throw.
That way, you can tell your kids what they're doing either way - off a miss or a make. Sure, it gives Florida time to draw something up too, but they're the ones at a big disadvantage at this point. We saw how badly Wisconsin screwed up on defense after Hayes made the free throw, we can't assume that the same thing wouldn't have happened on a miss, too.
And if you wait to call a timeout after the 2nd make, you are risking that he misses the 2nd free throw and you don't have a chance to talk to your team at all.
That way, you can tell your kids what they're doing either way - off a miss or a make. Sure, it gives Florida time to draw something up too, but they're the ones at a big disadvantage at this point. We saw how badly Wisconsin screwed up on defense after Hayes made the free throw, we can't assume that the same thing wouldn't have happened on a miss, too.
And if you wait to call a timeout after the 2nd make, you are risking that he misses the 2nd free throw and you don't have a chance to talk to your team at all.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:48 am to shel311
quote:
There ya go.
Kid for Vandy made a legit ALL TIME bonehead mental play. So never miss a FT ever again!!!!
Cmon man..
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:49 am to BayouBengals03
Sure, but the offense is already so much more off-kilter after a FT miss than an inbounds play.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:50 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:49 am to ReauxlTide222
It was to point out the flaw in his logic of what is and isn't reasonable and how that doesn't really matter.
Just because you think something isn't reasonable to happen doesn't mean it won't happen.
Was it reasonable having Hayes guarding the fastest players on the Florida team? No, but there he was...
Just because you think something isn't reasonable to happen doesn't mean it won't happen.
Was it reasonable having Hayes guarding the fastest players on the Florida team? No, but there he was...
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:50 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:51 am to shel311
My main point is momentum. If Hayes misses that FT, the best case shot scenario Florida had was to get something up a few feet in front of half court.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:53 am to KillerNut9
quote:I disagree
My main point is momentum. If Hayes misses that FT, the best case shot scenario Florida had was to get something up a few feet in front of half court.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:55 am to shel311
quote:
shel311
quote:
I disagree
I'm shocked
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:55 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:55 am to KillerNut9
Ok
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:56 am to shel311
I hear you.
But shite man. A 3 still beats them. And a 3 WILL be taken. Why not be able to play defense and really stifle UF's ability to smoothly move the ball?
Missing makes UF have to get a rebound. Secure the ball. Turn and make a pass to some college kids who would most likely be sprinting and freaking out. That kid would then have to catch a pass and make a shot.
Hayes should have missed the FT.
But shite man. A 3 still beats them. And a 3 WILL be taken. Why not be able to play defense and really stifle UF's ability to smoothly move the ball?
Missing makes UF have to get a rebound. Secure the ball. Turn and make a pass to some college kids who would most likely be sprinting and freaking out. That kid would then have to catch a pass and make a shot.
Hayes should have missed the FT.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:58 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:You could foul in doing so.
Why not be able to play defense and really stifle UF's ability to smoothly move the ball?
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:59 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 1:00 am to shel311
quote:I'm not saying Wisc would have pulled it off. But did you see the game a few days ago when this exact scenario happened and the FT shooting team simply doubled the rebounder the second he caught the ball? Kid couldn't make an accurate pass if you gave him 100 attempts.
I disagree
A 3 was going to be taken. And would have won the game in both scenarios. Why make the 2nd FT?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 1:01 am to shel311
quote:Could you foul on an inbounds play?
You could foul in doing so
Why is a foul more likely on a missed FT than it is on an inbounds play?
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 1:02 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:49 am to KillerNut9
Wisconsin was 20 for 30 from the line, and you're telling us they lost by 1 because of a free throw they made?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:02 am to KillerNut9
Absolutely - would have cost at least .7 second perhaps more
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:03 am to slackster
Op is right and you are wrong.
Missing as FL has no timeouts is the easy decision there.
Second point was meaningless
Missing as FL has no timeouts is the easy decision there.
Second point was meaningless
Posted on 4/1/17 at 10:27 pm to KillerNut9
Bump
Posted on 4/1/17 at 11:13 pm to KillerNut9
Man I didn't agree with you before, but seeing a team get 2 offensive rebounds in that situation one time has totally changed my mind. Never mind the fact the UNC player could have easily been called for a loose ball foul by a whistle happy ref or the players didn't intentionally miss any of those shots.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 11:27 pm to TheWalrus
Had nothing to do with the offensive rebounds. My point has always been strictly on momentum.
If the ref is blantanly is in on the take, sure. There wasn't anything close to a foul by UNC on those misses.
quote:
Never mind the fact the UNC player could have easily been called for a loose ball fou
If the ref is blantanly is in on the take, sure. There wasn't anything close to a foul by UNC on those misses.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 11:28 pm
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