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re: Greg Cosell "Rodgers Doesn't Execute the Offense and Misses Routine Throws"
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:00 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:00 am to TigerBait1127
Intentional and unintentional? No dude. There's a reason they did away with the 5 yard face mask penalty. You gonna put 25-30 yards on the referees judgment of intent?
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:00 am to Boomshockalocka
NFL is big boy league. Should be a spot foul.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:01 am to Boomshockalocka
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You gonna put 25-30 yards on the referees judgment of intent?
We literally put 25-30 yards on the referees judgment already....
And there is already some judgment of intent on PI calls with feet and incidental contact.
Certainly better than a slap fight initiated by the WR costing the team 40 yards, points, and possibly the game.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 11:05 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:02 am to Boomshockalocka
I've switched over the 15 yarder side. Spot foul has an enormous influence on the game.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:06 am to TigerBait1127
So a ref has to determine foul And then whether or not it was on purpose or not? No that's just silly. The goal should be to leave as little to referee discretion as possible. You change it to a 15 yarder and pass interference penalties would probably triple. You don't think an NFL CB could make an intentional PI look unintentional?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:07 am to StrongBackWeakMind
If somebody is thirty yards down field and you interfere with their ability to catch the ball 30 yards down field. That's where the ball should go. I've never heard anyone argue for 15 yards IRL. And surprised to see it here. This is a bit mind boggling.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:08 am to TigerBait1127
Slap fights are the exception and not a reason to change the rule.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:08 am to Boomshockalocka
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So a ref has to determine foul And then whether or not it was on purpose or not?
Yes, shouldn't be very difficult to determine if a corner form tackled a receiver.
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The goal should be to leave as little to referee discretion as possible
Then make it 15 across the board. It is laughable that you think this would be some huge burden.
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You change it to a 15 yarder and pass interference penalties would probably triple.
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You don't think an NFL CB could make an intentional PI look unintentional?
You don't think NFL WR's can cause a PI flag to be thrown?
You're not applying your same logic to your side of the argument.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:09 am to Boomshockalocka
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Slap fights are the exception and not a reason to change the rule.
I've given multiple reasons, and no, it happens pretty regularly in almost every game. Hell, we see refs miss the incidental feet tangling part all the time. I'd much rather that mistake on their part cost 15 yards instead of 40.
Intentional pass interferences are an exception, and not a reason to keep it a spot foul.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 11:11 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:10 am to Boomshockalocka
It happens all the time with defensive holding. Corner gets beats and holds the receiver. Should they place the ball where the ball lands?
I don't have a real problem with spot foul, I would just prefer a 15 yarder. A weak PI call can have too much influence on the game. Torrey Smith made a career of getting those deep PI calls.
I don't have a real problem with spot foul, I would just prefer a 15 yarder. A weak PI call can have too much influence on the game. Torrey Smith made a career of getting those deep PI calls.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 11:14 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:13 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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. A weak PI call can have too much influence on the game.
Yep, by the same argument, offensive holding should be a spot foul and loss of down. It isn't, but can have just as much of an impact.
Offensive pass interference doesn't have the same penalty as defensive. What you see now is WR's getting physical with corners knowing that 19/20 they won't get called for it. If there is a flag, it will more often than not be on the corner.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 11:15 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:15 am to TigerBait1127
Why should a player EVER be rewarded for committing a foul? Name one other rule where committing a foul is benificary.
"Holding, on the offense, but since his quarterback got sacked, we gonna e force those holding. 1st and 20. Instead of 2nd and 20"
Bdk if you don't realize how fast the game moves and tough it already is on officials. They already miss the PI part as you've pointed out, not you expect them to judge intent on top of that? Nope.
"Holding, on the offense, but since his quarterback got sacked, we gonna e force those holding. 1st and 20. Instead of 2nd and 20"
Bdk if you don't realize how fast the game moves and tough it already is on officials. They already miss the PI part as you've pointed out, not you expect them to judge intent on top of that? Nope.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:15 am to TigerBait1127
I never thought of it that way. A hold prevents the d lineman from sacking the QB. Ball should be placed where the QB was at the time of the hold and loss of down. It's only fair.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:16 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Defensive Holding is called when the ball is not yet in the air. That player being held is not the intended receiver. Makes all the difference.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:18 am to Boomshockalocka
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Name one other rule where committing a foul is benificary.
Let's go to your next point
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"Holding, on the offense, but since his quarterback got sacked, we gonna e force those holding. 1st and 20. Instead of 2nd and 20"
Pretty sure that holding on the offense, 10 yard penalty, is a lot better than an 8 yard sack, the QB getting hit, etc.
So thanks for doing that for me.
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Bdk if you don't realize how fast the game moves and tough it already is on officials.
I've been on the field for plenty of games, and have officiated games at the HS level in the past. But thanks.
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They already miss the PI part as you've pointed out, not you expect them to judge intent on top of that? Nope.
Jesus you're being dense if you think this would be a real burden on officials.
So the risk is that if they make a mistake, it has the same impact as it does now. Silly.
But I'm completely fine with having 15 yards across the board.
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Defensive Holding is called when the ball is not yet in the air. That player being held is not the intended receiver. Makes all the difference.
Why does it make all the difference?
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:18 am to Boomshockalocka
The ball is not yet in the air. (Also, IIRC, intended receiver has nothing to do with defensive holding.) But we see plays where the corner gets beat and holds the receiver before the ball is in the air and the QB still throws it to where the receiver is supposed to be. Why is the ball being in the air the deciding factor? The corner is preventing a big play in both scenarios.
Scenario 1: QB throws it to where a receiver is supposed to be. CB gets beat and holds the WR before the ball is in the air. 5 yards and automatic first.
Scenario 2: QB throws it to where a receiver is supposed to be. CB gets beat and holds the WR while the ball is in the air. Spot foul and automatic first.
Same foul. Huge disparity in penalty.
Scenario 1: QB throws it to where a receiver is supposed to be. CB gets beat and holds the WR before the ball is in the air. 5 yards and automatic first.
Scenario 2: QB throws it to where a receiver is supposed to be. CB gets beat and holds the WR while the ball is in the air. Spot foul and automatic first.
Same foul. Huge disparity in penalty.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:23 am to TigerBait1127
You officiated high school and felt that was even worth mentioning when we're discussing NF fricking L.
Wait gtfo
Wait
gtfo Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:24 am to Boomshockalocka
And here we go. Boom going off the rails.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:25 am to Boomshockalocka
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You officiated high school and felt that was even worth mentioning when we're discussing NF fricking L
Do I really need to explain how that comment was relevant as a response? Are you really that special? I've been on the field for HS games, LSU games, and Saints games. Try using that thick head of yours.
But way to realize how fast the game moves and the difficulties of officiating. Must be from your NFL officiating experience.
Way to ignore the rest of the post too, you know the part where you provided a contradiction and unknowingly answered your own question
Derp
Here's another question, since I answered yours:
What other penalties can be 40+ yards?
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 11:31 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:28 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:I've been on the 15 yarder side for as long as I can remember.
I've switched over the 15 yarder side. Spot foul has an enormous influence on the game.
It's too difficult of a call for a ref to make and they botch it(not even saying it's their fault, it's just so tough) too often way downfield that I can't trust a 30 or 40 yard penalty.
Make it 15 or give the coach the ability to challenge it.
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