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For all Cleveland's whining about refs these playoffs
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:12 am
*C&P'd from another board
Thoughts? Does seem peculiar that in any given year some group of players or another can't seem to buy a whistle. I saw similar complaints in regard to Tyreke last season and of course there was the Lin thing that made the rounds.
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LeBron is 17th in fta per game but only 46th in fga per game in the paint (within 5 ft)
Wait that's Klay
LeBron is 8th in fta per game but only 33rd in fga per game in the paint
Wait that's Durant
Lebron is 3rd in fta per game but only 25th in fga per game in the paint, that makes more sense
Oh no that was Harden
LeBron is 45th in fta per game and first in fga per game in the paint
That's a real stat. This has been consistent all season despite LeBron attacking the rim more than ever. The league shot more free throws than last year but they magically figured out how to not foul LeBron who had his lowest free throw rate since his rookie year. Almost half his shots were within 3 feet.
I know a lot of it -- and this has been talked about since well before 2010 -- is that he's too strong so refs think it doesn't affect him. Sadly he would be better off flopping and selling contact like so many other players (like Love). The NBA says they don't like flopping but they are encouraging it.
I don't think it's rigged but I think there has been blatant bias against LeBron this year -- whether it's to negate the common perception that he benefits, whether they got tired of him complaining in previous season, whatever. I do think you can only fix a problem if you recognize there's a problem and the NBA tries to ignore every problem possible, which makes sense I guess for a business that's blossoming.
Thoughts? Does seem peculiar that in any given year some group of players or another can't seem to buy a whistle. I saw similar complaints in regard to Tyreke last season and of course there was the Lin thing that made the rounds.
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:16 am to imraged
shite over half the time he drives an offensive foul could be called
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:21 am to imraged
I think that come playoff time the refs and NBA make a conscious effort to not reward flopping and to allow them to play a little more physical.
LeBron is a well known whiner and he exaggerates contact all of the time. So I think the refs probably swallow their whistle a little more with him and players like Harden, Paul, and Green.
I don't necessarily have a problem with it. Especially when you consider how much they get away with.
LeBron is a well known whiner and he exaggerates contact all of the time. So I think the refs probably swallow their whistle a little more with him and players like Harden, Paul, and Green.
I don't necessarily have a problem with it. Especially when you consider how much they get away with.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:21 am to imraged
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I know a lot of it -- and this has been talked about since well before 2010 -- is that he's too strong so refs think it doesn't affect him.
AKA Shaq treatment.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:24 am to bigpetedatiga
Another one:
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After this game, LeBron has put up 99 shots and earned 16 **** FTs. That's a FT rate of .161 or stated differently, he gets ONE FT every 6.1 shots he puts up. He has shot 44% of all shots right at the rim. 44%.
Players in this year's playoffs who are getting more FTs per FG attempt: 112.
These players include:
Patrick Beverly
Pat Patterson
Luc Mbah a Moute
Mike Scott
Kevin Martin in garbage time
Demarre Carrol
Kent Bazemore
Allen Crabbe
Evan Turner
Wes Johnson
Luis Scola
Harrison Barnes
Dion Waiters
Justice Winslow
Andre Roberson
Delly
TT
Steve Blake
Courtney Lee
Aron Baynes
Kaminsky
Sefolosha
Jeremy Lin
Mason Plumlee
Anthony Morrow
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:26 am to bigpetedatiga
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LeBron is a well known whiner and he exaggerates contact all of the time. So I think the refs probably swallow their whistle a little more with him and players like Harden, Paul, and Green.
It is still inexcusable when guys like Drummond can elbow him in the neck/head area and still not get penalized for it.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 9:28 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:29 am to bigpetedatiga
quote:Your point makes no sense because Harden is a well-known flopper/exaggerator, but he still gets a TON of foul calls and free throws.
LeBron is a well known whiner and he exaggerates contact all of the time. So I think the refs probably swallow their whistle a little more with him and players like Harden,
LeBron got hit in the face at least twice in the last game I watched, and a foul wasn't called either time. They weren't even hard to see.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 9:30 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:30 am to imraged
I agree he gets fouled far more than its called.
However, he fouls far more than its called too. Kind of a give and take. He violently attacks the rim, so much so it should often be offensive fouls that aren't called either.
Personally, I like this approach more. Let the guys play physical.
However, he fouls far more than its called too. Kind of a give and take. He violently attacks the rim, so much so it should often be offensive fouls that aren't called either.
Personally, I like this approach more. Let the guys play physical.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:32 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:This would be a fine approach, but over several years players have consistently slapped him in the head and the refs do not call it at the same rate they would other players. It's strange to me.
Kind of a give and take. He violently attacks the rim, so much so it should often be offensive fouls that aren't called either.
I can understand arm slaps and whatnot going uncalled, but you should probably blow the whistle for a guy getting hit in the head.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:32 am to imraged
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AKA Shaq treatment.
Repost....when you are too dominant this is what occurs
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:33 am to bigpetedatiga
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I think that come playoff time the refs and NBA make a conscious effort to not reward flopping and to allow them to play a little more physical.
It has nothing to do with the playoffs, it's been happening all year.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:36 am to TheCaterpillar
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I agree he gets fouled far more than its called.
Exponentially more. Did you just ignore the stats?
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owever, he fouls far more than its called too. Kind of a give and take. He violently attacks the rim, so much so it should often be offensive fouls that aren't called either.
He has a total of 16 free throw attempts and 15 fouls called on him during the playoffs.......
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:40 am to imraged
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these playoffs
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:40 am to 13SaintTiger
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I agree he gets fouled far more than its called.
Exponentially more. Did you just ignore the stats?
Wait what? Didn't I just agree with that?
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owever, he fouls far more than its called too. Kind of a give and take. He violently attacks the rim, so much so it should often be offensive fouls that aren't called either.
He has a total of 16 free throw attempts and 15 fouls called on him during the playoffs.......
Again, what?
Those foul totals include defensive fouls...I said he isn't called for them on the offensive side nearly as much as he should be, which is undeniable. Much like its undeniable fouls committed on him aren't called as much as they should be.
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13SaintTiger
I'm convinced you're irrationally mad and just didn't read my post at all and thought I was arguing a completely different point
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 9:41 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:51 am to imraged
frick Cleveland. He could get a FT every attempt and they would still bitch about something. Someone needs to tell them they aren't really mad at the refs they are mad about living in Cleveland.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:55 am to TheCaterpillar
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I'm convinced you're irrationally mad and just didn't read my post at all and thought I was arguing a completely different point
Probably
Although, to your point about letting them play physical, it seems the refs are just letting players play physical just against him.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 9:56 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:57 am to imraged
The guy elbows and hooks his way to the rim and it isn't called all the time either.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 9:58 am to jturn17
quote:To be fair to James he hasn't been called for flopping since 2013. He is one of the best players in the history of the league at getting players to foul him. When they reach, James teach.
Your point makes no sense because Harden is a well-known flopper/exaggerator, but he still gets a TON of foul calls and free throws.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 10:00 am to imraged
Love me some Lebron, but he gets the benefit of the doubt. Way more offensive foul calls could be called against him than what is.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 10:36 am to TooDumbToFail
Some of those stats are misleading. Thompson and Durant in particular have guys running full speed at them to close out on jumpers. Teams want Lebron to take long 2s and live with the results.
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