re: Drew Brees vs. Kurt Warner (At their Best)

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If you argue Brees playing in a different time period, and count that against his stats, you should also include the fact that Warner had a much better supporting cast.

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This. I think it's a toss up

ETA: That being said if I had to choose one at their peak I would probably take Brees.. And I hate the Saints

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So you don't see the flaw in comparing stats one for one during that 10 year time frame?

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meh, I don't really care about stats. That isn't what this thread is about anyway.

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in 1999 and 2001, defenses could actually play defense.

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but then there is this. You might as well just take away from every other QB playing in today's game. I know that things are different now with defense, don't get me wrong.

the evolution of the offenses is unreal. I think defenses are definitely at a disadvantage. But it kind of sucks that QB's won't get as much credit. I mean, that is the direction things are going in it seems like.

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Well for one you're comparing stats from 99 and 01 with stats from 2009 and 2011....why not just throw Matt stafford and cam newton ahead of Warner as well

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Shhh....Coco is a good guy. Let him make his argument in peace.

Brees, obviously once again slightly biased but I did love watching Warner's old Rams/Cards teams.

The stats are really good for both and when comparing at their best the slight edge may be to Brees, but i'm looking more at just how they played the game. The attention to detail that Brees has from reading a D pre snap to footwork in the pocket is just unbelievable, not to mention the accuracy.

How do you even answer this question?

What does "At their Best" even mean?

# of Games? Best Game? Top 5 Games?
# of Best Seasons? Top 2,3,4,5 Seasons?
# of Post Seasons? Should we only measure this?
Best Super Bowl? Average of Warner 3 SB Stats VS Brees 1?

You can cherry pick games all day.

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It wasn't meant to be an automatic disqualifier for players playing today. I respect the opinion that people think brees had a better peak, I just think if you go down the road of comparing a stat line from 1999 to a stat line from 2011 to make the argument, it's misleading

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fair enough. I think what the Rams did was great. I hated when the Saints had to play them. They usually held their own and even came up with a few upsets here and there against them.

I respect Warner a lot though. He took his fair share of punishment over the years.

Brees is more mobile and like it was just mentioned, he is so tough for defenses because of his pre snap reads.

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Payton is much better than martz, don't kid yourself

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Martz has been responsible for more concussions at the QB position than any coach ever. Too many hot routes plugged into 7 step drops. Coaching is about adapting to players and modifying an offense around your strengths. Payton is clearly more flexible in this department.

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They usually held their own and even came up with a few upsets here and there against them.

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I actually remember being in LA when they upset them in the playoffs that one year, I was rooting for the saints big time

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That isn't the point....in 1999 and 2001, defenses could actually play defense. If you're going to use inflated stats from the last 3-4 years to make the argument that his peak is better, you could say multiple inferior qbs are better as well. And fwiw, I acknowledged that brees is without a doubt a better qb than Warner, I just think Warner had the better peak

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agree with all of that

Brees clearly has the better career. Warner's peak was helped by the Rams offensive weapons but he was one of those offensive weapons.

Now if you put Warner on last year's Saints team IMO he gets destroyed/hurt instead of keeping the team near .500 (but that's a separate argument)